Vanguard wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:etJHlXSEGHA.1404@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>> Vanguard wrote:
>>
>> You're a moron.
>
>
> Yeah, I already knew that was coming. Big surprise. Your means of
> "proof" got exposed. Your balloon popped.
>
>> I gave you two urls of the biggests computer stores chains in Spain
>> that sell OEM software
>
>
> Who says pirates have to wee tiny peddlers constantly evading
> prosecution by using temporary Internet sites? There are hundreds if
> not thousands of sites peddling pirated software, some even in my own
> country. Just because they create a site and provide a business doesn't
> qualify that they are doing legal business. The legal means of shutting
> down illegal businesses is slow and erratic.
>
>> and you give me links to music and video/dvd piracy.
>
>
> And software. Actually read the articles. "In 2004, the number of
> street vendors selling pirate optical disc products has continued to
> grow." And what did YOU get for distribution media for that software?
> Oh, yes, we are all so confident that someone who steals music, videos,
> and "entertainment" software would never ever steal "other" software,
> too. Uh huh. They have all the equipment to press labelled CDs that
> look like the legal copies but, of course, they would never use that
> equipment to store software on those same CD blanks. Of course pirates
> who are involved in producing fake music and video CDs and entertainment
> software would always become morally upright when it comes to other
> software piracy. Uh huh. I didn't realize that pirates were so select
> in what they steal.
>
> There are changes coming in Spain but it doesn't seem like they did
> anything until sometime in 2003.
>
>> These stores are completely legal
>
>
> In Spain perhaps. But peddling 12-year old kids to pedophiles might be
> legal in some countries but it is still wrong. Legality and morality
> are not always in sync. Spain, Indonesia, and other countries, whether
> legal or not within their own domain, are a pariah to the rest of the
> international community.
>
>> and they get their OEMs from Microsoft who has offices in Spain.
>
>
> Maybe but you don't have proof that the CDs sold from those stores
> actually came from Microsoft. You think all pirates are some joker
> sitting in his seller using his CD-RW drive and using a Sharpie marker
> to label CDs to sell pirated software? Professionally produced pirated
> software can be indistinguishable from the real thing, just like you can
> get fake IDs that are perfect copies using even the same technology used
> to produce the real IDs.
>
>> I was not pointing you to the music, videos, dvds, etc. sold on the
>> street. So, if these computer stores are pirates, Microsoft is too.
>
>
> It is impossible to pirate yourself. If you have proof that these
> stores in Spain have a non-standard OEM contract then do so. Otherwise,
> you have no clue as to whether the copies are legal or not. From
> articles by Microsoft regarding Spain, Microsoft *is* attempting to stop
> the pirating there but they also work within the law which means they
> are attempting to change the laws there. You really think if pirates
> weren't producing their own copies that they would buy them direct from
> Microsoft who could shut down the supply channel in an instant?
>
> The fact that these stores have to go to such great lengths in an
> attempt to prove their claim that their product is legitimate makes them
> suspicious by that act. "Methinks thou doust protest too much" (William
> Shakespeare). You don't have the proof as you claim. I don't, either!
> How many legitimate sellers do you visit that have to go to such lengths
> to proclaim their innocence? Your proof wasn't proof at all. It can be
> damn hard if not impossible to determine if you have a legitimate copy
> of not.
>

You're nuts. You don't know what you're talking about. APP and PCBox are
legitimate stores. I have three XP OEMs sitting in the drawer and I know
they are legal. The product key was good, they passed activation and
WGA. I don't even know why I am replying to you. NO store sells retail
in Spain. NONE. So, with you're "logic", all the stores in Spain sell
pirated versions of XP.

Puhlease.

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