Hi klaas. prins,

If you're having a problem with your game controller please post
here or in a seperate thread and we'll be happy to help you. :-)


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klaas. prins Wrote:
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| "Grey" <Grey@discussions.microsoft.com> schreef in bericht
| news:4F7C7DA0-036E-47BE-AEA1-531E3081BD92@microsoft.com...
|| Thank goodness I finally found someone with the same problem! This has been
|| extremely frustrating and I feel your pain. All I can say is e-mail any and
|| every company you can think of that might have some kind of clue about the
|| problem (especially Mocrosoft) and hopefully the problem will be fixed
|| (wishful thinking?). The following is what I have sent to Microsoft, Dell,
|| Belkin (Nostromo speed pad), Saitek and Ch products.
|| XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
|| OK here goes.
||
|| -I have a saitekX52 joystick, CH Pro rudder pedals and a nostromo N52
|| speedpad (all USB). I am using Windows XP (2 Dell computers- 1 home and 1
|| professional [XP service pack 2]). The controller which I want to be
|| controller ID # 1 is of course the joystick, but it is seen as controller ID
|| # 0 in directX (version 9.0c).
||
|| -I am able to map it how I want it in the game I play the most (World War II
|| online) because this game has the ability to recognize multiple joysticks.
|| (the game sees the joystick as joystick 3 not 0) But if I have to reinstall
|| the game for whatever reason or put it on another computer, I have to go
|| through the mapping process again. This wouldn't be a big deal if this was
|| the only game I played.
||
|| -In a few other games I have played, the joystick is not recognized unless I
|| unplug the speedpad and rudder pedals (which I do not want to do). These
|| games only recognize the controller which is seen as controller id # 1 at
|| that particular time. I have tried using the advanced button in the control
|| panel > game controllers window and setting the joystick I want to use
|| (preferred device for older programs), but THIS DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!! When I
|| run dxdiag the joystick controller id is 0 (seen in World War II online as
|| joystick 3) the rudder pedals' controller id is 2 (joystick 2) and the
|| nostromo is id 1 (joystick 1) if I unplug the nostromo, the rudder pedals are
|| seen as joystick 1 and my joystick is seen as 2.
||
|| -I want to set up the controllers how I want them, NOT how directX sees
|| them. I do know that you could modify controller ids in windows 98, but XP
|| does not seem to give you this option. In the seemingly countless hours I
|| have searched the web looking for a solution, I have found similar questions
|| but no satisfactory answer.
||
|| -I have tried unplugging and re-plugging them in different orders to see if
|| directX would reassign different id's but this did not work.
||
|| -So the only way I can use my joystick with games that don't recognize more
|| than 1 controller is to unplug the pedals and nostromo (which I do not want
|| to do). I thought that I might need to reinstall the operating system, but
|| the same thing happens on my new computer. (XP professional) I know that the
|| preferred device thing should fix everything but I would just like to know if
|| it is possible to modify the controller id's (hopefully easily) in windows XP.
||
||
|| Thank you,
|| JG
|| XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
|| -Microsoft told me to contact Dell or use their fee based help.
|| -Dell told me that they support only Dell hardware not software issues but
|| they would also be glad to take my money for a fee based phone call.
|| -CH Products said that XP does not allow you to change controller id's PERIOD!
|| -Belkin said that the prefered user device option was the only thing that
|| they knew of.
|| and I am still waiting for a response from Saitek
|| (I have sent Microsoft and Dell each an e-mail asking: if my issue is not
|| resolved, will I still be charged for the phone calls)
|| So like I said before, email everybody and maybe microsoft will fix their
|| poor controller programing.
||
||
||
|| "pjp" wrote:
||
||| The whole concept is screwed up enough it's easier to just plug in only the
||| device you want to use and leave the others unplugged.
|||
||| Between MS's obtuse API's and every game having to "figure it out as best we
||| can" it's no surprise a lot (if not most) have "issues". Even MS's own games
||| don't deal with the issue properly, e.g. try FS2004 with couple of
||| controllers attached, you'll find out what I mean..
|||
||| For some reason I doubt Vista will improve the situtation given even XP is a
||| step back from 9x in what a user can do, e.g. 9x at least allows one to
||| designate 1,2,3 ... rather than just "Preferred".
|||
||| P.S. little prog to set id#'s as you want, do a google seach for "JoyIDs".
|||
||| "Big Normy" <normoline@yahoo.com.jaundice> wrote in message
||| news:Xns96CD295E013Fchakdaddy@207.115.63.158...
|||| Hi, I've been looking through old posts on this issue, and haven't seen
|||| anything lately...
||||
|||| the bottom line is this -
||||
|||| I had a Thrustmaster Dual Power 4 game pad, and bought a Logitech
|||| Rumblepad later - I like the Rumblepad better, and want to consider it
|||| my "first string" controller.
||||
|||| But if I go into say, Nba Live 2005, and go to choose controllers, no
|||| matter what I do, the thrustmaster is on the top of the list, and the
|||| logitech is on the bottom.
||||
||||
|||| All the old posts talk about choosing Preferred device in the control
|||| panel. By running DxDiag, I can see that setting something as the
|||| Preferred Device assigns it Controller ID 0.
||||
|||| But I also see that the order of the Controllers, as recognized by most
|||| games, is the same as the order listed in the game controller control
|||| panel, and is completely unrelated to which device is "controller id 0"
|||| and "preferred device."
||||
|||| For example, I set the logitech as preferred device, and plugged in the
|||| thrustmaster and also a gamepad pro.
||||
|||| In the control panel they are listed as:
|||| Thrustmaster
|||| Logitech
|||| GamePad Pro
||||
|||| dxdiag lists them as:
||||
|||| Thrustmaster - controller id 1
|||| Logitech - controller id 0
|||| GamePad Pro - controller id 2
||||
||||
|||| Obviously there is a separate controller id that is recognized by the
|||| game when ordering controllers, and is recognized by the control panel
|||| when listing controllers in a certain order.
||||
||||
|||| The list could be looked at more like this -
||||
|||| [True controller id=1] Thrustmaster - Controller ID 1
|||| [True controller id=2] Logitech - Controller ID 0 ("preferred device")
|||| [True controller id=3] Gamepad Pro - controller ID 2
||||
||||
|||| by editing the preferred device, I can change the listed controller ID,
|||| which is completely irrelevant as far as the game is concerned, and the
|||| true controller ID is the same. If I make thrustmaster the preferred,
|||| it would be like this -
||||
|||| [True controller id=1] Thrustmaster - Controller ID 0(preferred device)
|||| [True controller id=2] Logitech - Controller ID 1
|||| [True controller id=3] Gamepad Pro - controller ID 2
||||
|||| or I could change it to
|||| [True controller id=1] Thrustmaster - Controller ID 1
|||| [True controller id=2] Logitech - Controller ID 2
|||| [True controller id=3] Gamepad Pro - controller ID 0 (preferred)
|||| if I wanted to.
||||
||||
|||| But all this changing has nothing to do with the true way DirectInput
|||| orders the controllers and how games recognize their order. Surely
|||| there should be a way to edit the registry to fix or reset the id's that
|||| directinput gives?
||||
||||
|||| Ultimately in the games it's just an aesthetic issue, but it's kind of a
|||| matter of principle now..