Vanguard wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:eE97TSZEGHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>> Vanguard wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>>> news:etJHlXSEGHA.1404@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're a moron.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I already knew that was coming. Big surprise. Your means of
>>> "proof" got exposed. Your balloon popped.
>>>
>>>> I gave you two urls of the biggests computer stores chains in Spain
>>>> that sell OEM software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who says pirates have to wee tiny peddlers constantly evading
>>> prosecution by using temporary Internet sites? There are hundreds if
>>> not thousands of sites peddling pirated software, some even in my own
>>> country. Just because they create a site and provide a business
>>> doesn't qualify that they are doing legal business. The legal means
>>> of shutting down illegal businesses is slow and erratic.
>>>
>>>> and you give me links to music and video/dvd piracy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And software. Actually read the articles. "In 2004, the number of
>>> street vendors selling pirate optical disc products has continued to
>>> grow." And what did YOU get for distribution media for that
>>> software? Oh, yes, we are all so confident that someone who steals
>>> music, videos, and "entertainment" software would never ever steal
>>> "other" software, too. Uh huh. They have all the equipment to press
>>> labelled CDs that look like the legal copies but, of course, they
>>> would never use that equipment to store software on those same CD
>>> blanks. Of course pirates who are involved in producing fake music
>>> and video CDs and entertainment software would always become morally
>>> upright when it comes to other software piracy. Uh huh. I didn't
>>> realize that pirates were so select in what they steal.
>>>
>>> There are changes coming in Spain but it doesn't seem like they did
>>> anything until sometime in 2003.
>>>
>>>> These stores are completely legal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Spain perhaps. But peddling 12-year old kids to pedophiles might
>>> be legal in some countries but it is still wrong. Legality and
>>> morality are not always in sync. Spain, Indonesia, and other
>>> countries, whether legal or not within their own domain, are a pariah
>>> to the rest of the international community.
>>>
>>>> and they get their OEMs from Microsoft who has offices in Spain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe but you don't have proof that the CDs sold from those stores
>>> actually came from Microsoft. You think all pirates are some joker
>>> sitting in his seller using his CD-RW drive and using a Sharpie
>>> marker to label CDs to sell pirated software? Professionally
>>> produced pirated software can be indistinguishable from the real
>>> thing, just like you can get fake IDs that are perfect copies using
>>> even the same technology used to produce the real IDs.
>>>
>>>> I was not pointing you to the music, videos, dvds, etc. sold on the
>>>> street. So, if these computer stores are pirates, Microsoft is too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is impossible to pirate yourself. If you have proof that these
>>> stores in Spain have a non-standard OEM contract then do so.
>>> Otherwise, you have no clue as to whether the copies are legal or
>>> not. From articles by Microsoft regarding Spain, Microsoft *is*
>>> attempting to stop the pirating there but they also work within the
>>> law which means they are attempting to change the laws there. You
>>> really think if pirates weren't producing their own copies that they
>>> would buy them direct from Microsoft who could shut down the supply
>>> channel in an instant?
>>>
>>> The fact that these stores have to go to such great lengths in an
>>> attempt to prove their claim that their product is legitimate makes
>>> them suspicious by that act. "Methinks thou doust protest too much"
>>> (William Shakespeare). You don't have the proof as you claim. I
>>> don't, either! How many legitimate sellers do you visit that have to
>>> go to such lengths to proclaim their innocence? Your proof wasn't
>>> proof at all. It can be damn hard if not impossible to determine if
>>> you have a legitimate copy of not.
>>>
>>
>> You're nuts. You don't know what you're talking about. APP and PCBox
>> are legitimate stores. I have three XP OEMs sitting in the drawer and
>> I know they are legal. The product key was good, they passed
>> activation and WGA. I don't even know why I am replying to you. NO
>> store sells retail in Spain. NONE. So, with you're "logic", all the
>> stores in Spain sell pirated versions of XP.
>
>
>
> No "store" sells *retail*? Well, that would explain a lot.
>
> "Spanish police arrest 14 for Microsoft piracy"
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/...spiracy_1.html

That article doesn't reference the stores I mentioned. They caught a
pirate. So what?
>
> Yep, thar be pirates in my country, too, but I'm not the one claiming
> that proof of legitimacy is simply measured by the ability to sell. It
> is unusual, though, that the pirate bothers to include certificates
> unless they are a huge volume pirate. Piracy works best in those
> countries that have little legal, if any, deterrence against it.


>
> Showing a store that gave you the software without any hardware is not
> proof that the store complied with the OEM license. That it activates
> also doesn't provide proof because the hardware isn't physically or
> logically tied to the software; i.e., there is no way for the activation
> server to know that the software you are activating is actually used
> with the qualifying hardware that was supposed to come with it. If that
> were the case, piracy using Dell, HP, and other brand-specific OEM CDs
> would vanish overnight on eBay because no buyer could ever activate
> those CDs. Your "proof" sucks. To be frank, I can't prove that my copy
> is 100% legit, either. I cannot prove legitimacy simply because I
> managed to get the software without hardware and that it activates. The
> activation is NOT to ensure the OEM contract was fully complied with by
> the OEM supplier or that the user got the hardware and complied with OEM
> license. The seller is *supposed* to bundle the OEM software with
> hardware, and obviously the seller could violate that by just giving you
> the OEM software.
>
> You do NOT need the qualifying hardware to activate. There is no way
> for the activation server to know that the hardware on which Windows is
> running is the qualifying hardware or computer that was supposed to
> accompany the software. The OEM supplier is *supposed* to require
> inclusion of hardware, but that doesn't affect your ability to install
> and activate the software if the hardware is missing. As the end user,
> the most you can ever get is a warm fuzzy feeling that you PROBABLY have
> a legitimate copy. You'll never have absolute proof. Saying a store
> sold you the software without hardware and that it activates is not
> proof of legitimacy, especially since activation is "loose" considering
> the general-purpose hardware platform on which it gets installed.
>
> Not all pirates are the low-quality cut-and-run types you find on eBay.
> Some pirated products are nearly indistinguishable from the real stuff.
> It sure would be nice if a larger number of Microsoft folk actually
> visited these newsgroups so that maybe one of them could go internal to
> check if there are any Spain-based (or anywhere else) OEM resellers that
> are allowed to sell the OEM version without it being installed on a
> prebuilt computer or require qualifying hardware. The link provided by
> Kerry to the OEM Supplier web page at Microsoft has the OEM contract
> listed and I don't see where the OEM'er can get away without including
> some hardware with the Windows software, but it is the standard contract
> yet I doubt your "stores" would qualify for specialty contracts from
> Microsoft.
>

You don't know what you're talking about and only want to get into a
pissing contest. Piss off.

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Alias

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