Newsgroup Bermuda Triangle

Hi,

For some reason, a particular thread is not showing up when I view my
newsgroup with

View-->Current View-->Group Messages by Conversation

All the messages in the thread in question will appear if I deselect the
Group option. None are marked for ignore or anything like that. They will
also appear if I do a Find, whether the Group option is active or not. But
when it's Grouped, it's just not there.

Ideas?

Bill

Most likely it's a message with an improper reference line. Newsgroups
Group by Conversation depends on the Reference line in the headers, so if
that info is corrupted or modified by the sender, it will not group
properly.
--
Jim Pickering, MVP, Outlook Express
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...8-1171988A62D6
Please deliver feedback to the newsgroup, so that others can be helped.
Thanks.


"Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
news:%237G66Ii7FHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> For some reason, a particular thread is not showing up when I view my
> newsgroup with
>
> View-->Current View-->Group Messages by Conversation
>
> All the messages in the thread in question will appear if I deselect the
> Group option. None are marked for ignore or anything like that. They will
> also appear if I do a Find, whether the Group option is active or not. But
> when it's Grouped, it's just not there.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Bill
>

"Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
news:%237G66Ii7FHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> For some reason, a particular thread is not showing up when I view my
> newsgroup with
>
> View-->Current View-->Group Messages by Conversation


Got a specific example so we can see what you are asking about?

Sure. The missing thread is in the comp.databases.filemaker group. Here is
originating post for the thread:

Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ne wscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsmst01b.ne ws.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy .com!newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9d373312!no t-for-mail
From: "Terry Cano" <tcmusic@pacbell.net>
Newsgroups: comp.databases.filemaker
Subject: Printing
Lines: 8
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
Message-ID: <K9Xff.14890$BZ5.4280@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.234.36.224
X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net
X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1132478186 ST000 69.234.36.224 (Sun, 20
Nov 2005 04:16:26 EST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:16:26 EST
Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
X-UserInfo1:
Q[R_PJSCTS@[SW\X[ZOV_WTDEB\@PD\MNPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:16:26 GMT
Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.databases.filemaker:119044



I'd like to print on both sides of the paper. So print pages 1, 3, 5 etc
and then 2,4,6, can't figure it out.
Thanks
Terry




"Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
news:%238Rxm%23i7FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> "Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
> news:%237G66Ii7FHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> For some reason, a particular thread is not showing up when I view my
>> newsgroup with
>>
>> View-->Current View-->Group Messages by Conversation
>
>
> Got a specific example so we can see what you are asking about?

"Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
news:uJHXrsj7FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Sure. The missing thread is in the comp.databases.filemaker group. Here is
> originating post for the thread:
>
> Path:
> border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ne wscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsmst01b.ne ws.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy .com!newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9d373312!no t-for-mail
> From: "Terry Cano" <tcmusic@pacbell.net>
> Newsgroups: comp.databases.filemaker
> Subject: Printing
> Lines: 8
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
> Message-ID: <K9Xff.14890$BZ5.4280@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com >
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.234.36.224
> X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net
> X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1132478186 ST000 69.234.36.224 (Sun,
> 20 Nov 2005 04:16:26 EST)
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:16:26 EST
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> X-UserInfo1:
> Q[R_PJSCTS@[SW\X[ZOV_WTDEB\@PD\MNPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:16:26 GMT
> Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.databases.filemaker:119044
>
>
>
> I'd like to print on both sides of the paper. So print pages 1, 3, 5 etc
> and then 2,4,6, can't figure it out.
> Thanks
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> "Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
> news:%238Rxm%23i7FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> "Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
>> news:%237G66Ii7FHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> For some reason, a particular thread is not showing up when I view my
>>> newsgroup with
>>>
>>> View-->Current View-->Group Messages by Conversation
>>
>>
>> Got a specific example so we can see what you are asking about?
>
>


I'm also a Comcast user but I used up my monthly quota so I can only access
the free NNTP servers for now until my quota gets reset in about a week. I
have an account for Microsoft's NNTP server so, for now, I can only visit
the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. However, I looked in Google Groups on
the message-id for the post you mentioned and found the thread at:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....0da106dccef089

There are 4 posts in the thread: first one from Terry, one from Bill that
replied to Terry, one from Terry that replied to Bill, and another from
ursus.kirk that replied to Terry's original post, so the thread looks like:

Terry
| Message-ID: <K9Xff...> (Terry's first post)
|
|___ Bill
| | Message-ID: <9r6dn...> (Bill's reply post)
| | References: <K9Xff...> (points to Terry's post)
| |
| |___ Terry
| Message-ID: <CL5gf...> (Terry's reply post)
| References: ... <9r6dn...> (points to Bill's post)
|
|___ ursus.kirk
Message-ID: <43805...> (ursus' reply post)
References: <K9Xff...> (points to Terry's post)

Were there other posts in that thread that you expected to be there? When
you group by Conversation, which posts disappear in Outlook Express?

I looked at the References header in the replies and they are there and seem
to show the correct threading. I see you are a Comcast user based on your
IP address in your headers. If you used their contracted NNTP service from
Giganews then giganews.com would appear somewhere in the PATH header. Since
it doesn't, I don't know which NNTP server you use.

- Yes, I'm a Comcast user via newsgroups.comcast.net
- Yes, their news service is contracted through GigaNews
- Yes, those are all four posts I know of in the thread
- No, there aren't any other posts I expect to see
- Yes, all of them are missing when grouping by conversation

Bill


"Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
news:eppxV2l7FHA.2176@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> "Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
> news:uJHXrsj7FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Sure. The missing thread is in the comp.databases.filemaker group. Here
>> is originating post for the thread:
>>
>> Path:
>> border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ne wscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsmst01b.ne ws.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy .com!newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9d373312!no t-for-mail
>> From: "Terry Cano" <tcmusic@pacbell.net>
>> Newsgroups: comp.databases.filemaker
>> Subject: Printing
>> Lines: 8
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
>> Message-ID: <K9Xff.14890$BZ5.4280@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com >
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.234.36.224
>> X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net
>> X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1132478186 ST000 69.234.36.224 (Sun,
>> 20 Nov 2005 04:16:26 EST)
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 04:16:26 EST
>> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
>> X-UserInfo1:
>> Q[R_PJSCTS@[SW\X[ZOV_WTDEB\@PD\MNPWZKB]MPXH@ETUCCNSKQFCY@TXDX_WHSVB]ZEJLSNY\^J[CUVSA_QLFC^RQHUPH[P[NRWCCMLSNPOD_ESALHUK@TDFUZHBLJ\XGKL^NXA\EVHSP[D_C^B_^JCX^W]CHBAX]POG@SSAZQ\LE[DCNMUPG_VSC@VJM
>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:16:26 GMT
>> Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.databases.filemaker:119044
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to print on both sides of the paper. So print pages 1, 3, 5 etc
>> and then 2,4,6, can't figure it out.
>> Thanks
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
>> news:%238Rxm%23i7FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> "Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
>>> news:%237G66Ii7FHA.720@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> For some reason, a particular thread is not showing up when I view my
>>>> newsgroup with
>>>>
>>>> View-->Current View-->Group Messages by Conversation
>>>
>>>
>>> Got a specific example so we can see what you are asking about?
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm also a Comcast user but I used up my monthly quota so I can only
> access the free NNTP servers for now until my quota gets reset in about a
> week. I have an account for Microsoft's NNTP server so, for now, I can
> only visit the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. However, I looked in Google
> Groups on the message-id for the post you mentioned and found the thread
> at:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....0da106dccef089
>
> There are 4 posts in the thread: first one from Terry, one from Bill that
> replied to Terry, one from Terry that replied to Bill, and another from
> ursus.kirk that replied to Terry's original post, so the thread looks
> like:
>
> Terry
> | Message-ID: <K9Xff...> (Terry's first post)
> |
> |___ Bill
> | | Message-ID: <9r6dn...> (Bill's reply post)
> | | References: <K9Xff...> (points to Terry's post)
> | |
> | |___ Terry
> | Message-ID: <CL5gf...> (Terry's reply post)
> | References: ... <9r6dn...> (points to Bill's post)
> |
> |___ ursus.kirk
> Message-ID: <43805...> (ursus' reply post)
> References: <K9Xff...> (points to Terry's post)
>
> Were there other posts in that thread that you expected to be there? When
> you group by Conversation, which posts disappear in Outlook Express?
>
> I looked at the References header in the replies and they are there and
> seem to show the correct threading. I see you are a Comcast user based on
> your IP address in your headers. If you used their contracted NNTP
> service from Giganews then giganews.com would appear somewhere in the PATH
> header. Since it doesn't, I don't know which NNTP server you use.

"Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
news:uJHXrsj7FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
....
>> Got a specific example so we can see what you are asking about?

> Subject: Printing


The problem is very likely to be that overly generic Subject,
increasing the probability that someone has used it previously
and recently enough that an earlier unrelated thread is still
in your cache--that and the likelihood that you are not using the option
(in the Read tab)

Automatically expand grouped messages

Try toggling that option or try finding the thread by Subject and
manually expanding the thread.

keystrokes for toggling in English version of OE: Alt-T,O,Ctrl-Tab,x


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---

Yup that was it.

Outlook was considering the new messages to be part of a thread that someone
started back in January.

Bill

"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
news:eijNP3q7FHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> "Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in message
> news:uJHXrsj7FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
> ...
>>> Got a specific example so we can see what you are asking about?
>
>> Subject: Printing
>
>
> The problem is very likely to be that overly generic Subject,
> increasing the probability that someone has used it previously
> and recently enough that an earlier unrelated thread is still
> in your cache--that and the likelihood that you are not using the option
> (in the Read tab)
>
> Automatically expand grouped messages
>
> Try toggling that option or try finding the thread by Subject and
> manually expanding the thread.
>
> keystrokes for toggling in English version of OE: Alt-T,O,Ctrl-Tab,x
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>