Robert,

Thank you for taking the time to answer me about the 'word wrap' problem..

The line wrap setting (recommended to be 78) is only good if you are writing
a message in TEXT mode. This will not work when you write in Rich Text
(HTML) mode which most people are using now..

Truncating to me means the sentence doesn't extend to the point it showed
when it was typed originally but is cut off and the remaining words in that
sentence are placed in the following line.

As I said in my other message, Microsoft could make it a simple matter of
placing a moveable tab stop that a person could slide to the point they want
the word wrap to occur. Netcom used to have this feature in their e-mail
client that worked great..

You just slid the tab to a point you wanted the sentence to end and it
would automatically move you to the next line to continue typing.. If Netcom
could have something like this way back in 1994 I'm sure it would be a
no-brainer for Microsoft to include that (even as a patch) to Outlook
Express.

I've done as you suggested; typing the full width of the page (132) and
then go back to approximately 78 and move all the lines down to make
it more even. It is really time consuming and a lot of work that shouldn't
be necessary..

I don't know how this is going to look after I send it.. It looks fine now
but will probably be all screwed up when I open it in the newsgroup.

It is frustrating..

Thanks again for your help...

JR


"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
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| "JR" <rhondeau2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:eb9H85E$FHA.912@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl
| ...
| > "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote
| ...
| > Tip 2: OE Tools > Options > Send > News Sending Format > Plain Text >
| > Decrease line wrapping to 78 or lower.
| ...
|
| ...
| > I've always had problems with OE truncating my messages
|
|
| Elaborate on what you mean exactly by "truncating" messages.
|
| If you mean "breaking" paragraphs by inserting spurious line ends
| you have to be aware of how line ends get inserted when you are
| composing in Plain Text format. In particular if you are using
| its "Automatically wrap text at..." option (which unfortunately
| can not be disabled) consider that every paragraph which does
| not flow continuously (e.g. in a maximized window) presents
| the possibility of having small (broken) lines somewhere
| in the middle of it.
|
| Instead, what I do is set that option at its maximum of 132
| and perform my own formatting just as I used to long ago
| on typewriters or computer terminals. As long as I can see
| a pleasing format in a maximized window I know that OE's
| mindless Autowrap "feechur" won't break it.
|
| At least that is the way it used to work before OE6sp2
| added its implementation of Format=Flowed. Now, it is not
| enough to have pre-inspected the format of a composition;
| I may also have to do a post-inspection of it in the Outbox
| (with Work Offline on of course!) because Format=Flowed
| is apparently applied to _quoted_ text only *after* it is
| written to either Drafts or the Outbox. An alternative to
| having to do this (apart from fiddling with the Autowrap
| limit) is to make sure that every quoted line does not end
| with a space but that is only practical with very brief quotes.
|
|
| > and have recommended
| > several times that Microsoft include a feature in OE that was in the
early
| > browsers of Netcom in late 90's. They had a tab you could slide wherever
you
| > wanted the text to wrap which made it really easy to do and resulted in
a
| > much neater message..
|
|
| In fact, WordPad has this feature (called "Wrap to ruler").
| I haven't checked to see how feasible it would be
| to use it in its Text mode and then copy and paste
| from WordPad into OE. And I also don't know
| if WordPad makes the user any more aware of when
| too long lines (e.g. wrapped lines) are being created.
| That is the only problem I have occasionally with my technique.
| Occasionally, especially when concatenating or pasting
| in a normal mode composition window, I lose track
| of where the line ends are and end up creating lines
| which are much bigger than I would have intended.
|
|
| > I did check my settings in Tools/Options/Send/News
| > Sending Format/Plain Text and it is 78.. ??
| >
| > I also tried to send the original post using the Mozilla Thunderbird
Client
| > but it wouldn't accept it so I used OE..
|
| There's your answer then. Probably the line size that you had there
| is the problem. E.g. if it was over 90 there and you copy and pasted
| the paragraphs that it created without making those lines flow in a new
| paragraph you would have your symptom of 78 character lines each
| followed by a line with a few more words. Unfortunately OE would
| treat each of those lines as a small paragraph and thus let them "flow"
| to their original length on the composition window, so you would be
| unlikely to realize that they would be subject to chopping up at the
| Autowrap limit.
|
|
| HTH
|
| Robert Aldwinckle
| ---
|
|
|

"JR" <rhondeau2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eaO2wM7$FHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl
> Robert,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to answer me about the 'word wrap'
> problem..
>
> The line wrap setting (recommended to be 78) is only good if you are
> writing a message in TEXT mode. This will not work when you write in
> Rich Text (HTML) mode which most people are using now..
>
> Truncating to me means the sentence doesn't extend to the point it
> showed when it was typed originally but is cut off and the remaining
> words in that sentence are placed in the following line.
>
> As I said in my other message, Microsoft could make it a simple
> matter of placing a moveable tab stop that a person could slide to
> the point they want the word wrap to occur. Netcom used to have this
> feature in their e-mail client that worked great..
>
> You just slid the tab to a point you wanted the sentence to end and it
> would automatically move you to the next line to continue typing.. If
> Netcom could have something like this way back in 1994 I'm sure it
> would be a no-brainer for Microsoft to include that (even as a patch)
> to Outlook Express.
>
> I've done as you suggested; typing the full width of the page (132)
> and then go back to approximately 78 and move all the lines down to
> make
> it more even. It is really time consuming and a lot of work that
> shouldn't be necessary..
>
> I don't know how this is going to look after I send it.. It looks
> fine now but will probably be all screwed up when I open it in the
> newsgroup.
>
> It is frustrating..

Set your encoding to MIME/Quoted Printable (Tools | OPtions | Send). Only
do this for HTML and don't do it for News.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/sec...t/default.aspx
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/

"JR" <rhondeau2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eaO2wM7$FHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl
....
> | Instead, what I do is set that option at its maximum of 132
> | and perform my own formatting just as I used to long ago
> | on typewriters or computer terminals. As long as I can see
> | a pleasing format in a maximized window I know that OE's
> | mindless Autowrap "feechur" won't break it.

> I've done as you suggested; typing the full width of the page (132) and
> then go back to approximately 78 and move all the lines down to make
> it more even. It is really time consuming and a lot of work that shouldn't
> be necessary..


Sounds like you have misunderstood somewhat. I only type as far as
I want and then insert my own carriage return at the end of every line.
By ensuring that every line has a carriage return and knowing that OE
won't try to break any line shorter than 132 I eliminate the uncertainty
of most post-send reformatting caused by its Autowrap feature.

Provided I don't need to do any revisions in what I write I don't have
to "move" anything and I don't find that part time consuming at all.
On the contrary I appreciate the extra control it gives me for placing
every word exactly where I want it.

The only really unnecessary work I have is finding out whether the
previous poster used Format=Flowed and whether I need to do a
post-send re-edit because of that. In fact, there is a registry hack
to disable use of Format=Flowed available; so that extra effort
could be eliminated if I chose to use it.


Robert
---

Thanks to both of you...

Like I've always said, "It is a darn good thing there are people who are
smarter than I am"..

That comment will give 'Vanguard' an opportunity to make one of his asinine
comments..

Have a good one all!!

JR


"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
news:OYHY2p$$FHA.1676@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| "JR" <rhondeau2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:eaO2wM7$FHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl
| ...
| > | Instead, what I do is set that option at its maximum of 132
| > | and perform my own formatting just as I used to long ago
| > | on typewriters or computer terminals. As long as I can see
| > | a pleasing format in a maximized window I know that OE's
| > | mindless Autowrap "feechur" won't break it.
|
| > I've done as you suggested; typing the full width of the page (132) and
| > then go back to approximately 78 and move all the lines down to make
| > it more even. It is really time consuming and a lot of work that
shouldn't
| > be necessary..
|
|
| Sounds like you have misunderstood somewhat. I only type as far as
| I want and then insert my own carriage return at the end of every line.
| By ensuring that every line has a carriage return and knowing that OE
| won't try to break any line shorter than 132 I eliminate the uncertainty
| of most post-send reformatting caused by its Autowrap feature.
|
| Provided I don't need to do any revisions in what I write I don't have
| to "move" anything and I don't find that part time consuming at all.
| On the contrary I appreciate the extra control it gives me for placing
| every word exactly where I want it.
|
| The only really unnecessary work I have is finding out whether the
| previous poster used Format=Flowed and whether I need to do a
| post-send re-edit because of that. In fact, there is a registry hack
| to disable use of Format=Flowed available; so that extra effort
| could be eliminated if I chose to use it.
|
|
| Robert
| ---
|
|