In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I want it
to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that option is
grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the words I
list must show up. How can I ungray that option?

Don

"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET...
> In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I want
> it
> to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that option
> is
> grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the words
> I
> list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
>
> Don
>
>


Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The Server"? You
won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to detect
those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server doesn't
do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead (the
latter if the mesage meets all criteria).

Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or an
attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
message rules work on the headers of the message.

"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> "Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET...
> > In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
want
> > it
> > to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
option
> > is
> > grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
words
> > I
> > list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
>
>
> Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The Server"?
You
> won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to detect
> those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server doesn't
> do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
(the
> latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
>
> Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or an
> attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
> message rules work on the headers of the message.
>
>

No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop processing
more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL the
words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option is
grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if it's
grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
Don

Hi Don,

I don't know the reason for this behavior, but do notice that some of my
rules exhibit the grayed-out option 2. Even though it's a bit bothersome can
you create a new, replacement rule using option 2?

--
Tim K.
aka Kuay Tim
MS-MVP - Outlook Express
Lynnwood, WA
*
"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:6643c$43a0a7f7$a6664287$14198@ALLTEL.NET...

"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> "Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET...
> > In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
want
> > it
> > to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
option
> > is
> > grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
words
> > I
> > list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
>
>
> Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The Server"?
You
> won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to detect
> those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server doesn't
> do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
(the
> latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
>
> Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or an
> attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
> message rules work on the headers of the message.
>
>

No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop processing
more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL the
words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option is
grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if it's
grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
Don

Hi Tim,
Both options under option 2 are grayed out so can't use either one. And
since it is my understanding that OE is only set up to allow rules applying
to the FROM...TO...CC...and SUBJECT lines and not the MESSAGE BODY it makes
it very difficult to set up a rule to delete spam. The SUBJECT line seems
to be the easiest to apply a rule to if it contains specific
words...BUT...the way it looks to me is that all dozen or so words that I'd
like to screen for have to appear in the message SUBJECT line in order for
the rule to work. If I could make the rule say "if ANY of these words
appear" then delete the message it woiuld be great Someone out there must
know the answer. Thanks for the reply..
Don
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
"Kuay Tim" <TimJohn@msn.com> wrote in message
news:u94GlrQAGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Hi Don,
>
> I don't know the reason for this behavior, but do notice that some of my
> rules exhibit the grayed-out option 2. Even though it's a bit bothersome
can
> you create a new, replacement rule using option 2?
>
> --
> Tim K.
> aka Kuay Tim
> MS-MVP - Outlook Express
> Lynnwood, WA
> *
> "Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:6643c$43a0a7f7$a6664287$14198@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
> news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > "Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
> > news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET...
> > > In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
> want
> > > it
> > > to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
> option
> > > is
> > > grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
> words
> > > I
> > > list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The Server"?
> You
> > won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to detect
> > those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server
doesn't
> > do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
> (the
> > latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
> >
> > Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or
an
> > attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
> > message rules work on the headers of the message.
> >
> >
>
> No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop
processing
> more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL
the
> words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
> at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
> doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option is
> grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if
it's
> grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
> Don
>
>
>

Don wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> Both options under option 2 are grayed out so can't use either one. And
> since it is my understanding that OE is only set up to allow rules applying
> to the FROM...TO...CC...and SUBJECT lines and not the MESSAGE BODY it makes
> it very difficult to set up a rule to delete spam. The SUBJECT line seems
> to be the easiest to apply a rule to if it contains specific
> words...BUT...the way it looks to me is that all dozen or so words that I'd
> like to screen for have to appear in the message SUBJECT line in order for
> the rule to work. If I could make the rule say "if ANY of these words
> appear" then delete the message it woiuld be great Someone out there must
> know the answer. Thanks for the reply..
> Don

Are the words in the rule clickable? If so, click on one of the words
and then click on "Options" and change it to "or" instead of "and".

Alias
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------
> "Kuay Tim" <TimJohn@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:u94GlrQAGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>>Hi Don,
>>
>>I don't know the reason for this behavior, but do notice that some of my
>>rules exhibit the grayed-out option 2. Even though it's a bit bothersome
>
> can
>
>>you create a new, replacement rule using option 2?
>>
>>--
>>Tim K.
>>aka Kuay Tim
>>MS-MVP - Outlook Express
>>Lynnwood, WA
>>*
>>"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>news:6643c$43a0a7f7$a6664287$14198@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>>"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
>>news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>>news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET.. .
>>>
>>>>In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
>>
>>want
>>
>>>>it
>>>>to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
>>
>>option
>>
>>>>is
>>>>grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
>>
>>words
>>
>>>>I
>>>>list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The Server"?
>>
>>You
>>
>>>won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to detect
>>>those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server
>
> doesn't
>
>>>do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
>>
>>(the
>>
>>>latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
>>>
>>>Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or
>
> an
>
>>>attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
>>>message rules work on the headers of the message.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop
>
> processing
>
>>more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL
>
> the
>
>>words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
>>at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
>>doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option is
>>grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if
>
> it's
>
>>grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
>>Don
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Don here...hold the presses...I just discovered how to UNGRAY option #2.

The key is to type a single word in the rule description section and then
click ADD...then type another single word and click ADD again and so forth
until all the words you want screened are entered and ADDED...then click
OPTIONS and the option #2 will not be grayed out and the word OR will appear
between all the words and the rule works!

Amazing! Problem solved.

Don
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:ewqtm6QAGHA.2984@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Don wrote:
>
> > Hi Tim,
> > Both options under option 2 are grayed out so can't use either one. And
> > since it is my understanding that OE is only set up to allow rules
applying
> > to the FROM...TO...CC...and SUBJECT lines and not the MESSAGE BODY it
makes
> > it very difficult to set up a rule to delete spam. The SUBJECT line
seems
> > to be the easiest to apply a rule to if it contains specific
> > words...BUT...the way it looks to me is that all dozen or so words that
I'd
> > like to screen for have to appear in the message SUBJECT line in order
for
> > the rule to work. If I could make the rule say "if ANY of these words
> > appear" then delete the message it woiuld be great Someone out there
must
> > know the answer. Thanks for the reply..
> > Don
>
> Are the words in the rule clickable? If so, click on one of the words
> and then click on "Options" and change it to "or" instead of "and".
>
> Alias
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > -----------------------------
> > "Kuay Tim" <TimJohn@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:u94GlrQAGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >
> >>Hi Don,
> >>
> >>I don't know the reason for this behavior, but do notice that some of my
> >>rules exhibit the grayed-out option 2. Even though it's a bit bothersome
> >
> > can
> >
> >>you create a new, replacement rule using option 2?
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tim K.
> >>aka Kuay Tim
> >>MS-MVP - Outlook Express
> >>Lynnwood, WA
> >>*
> >>"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
> >>news:6643c$43a0a7f7$a6664287$14198@ALLTEL.NET...
> >>
> >>"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
> >>news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >>>"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET.. .
> >>>
> >>>>In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
> >>
> >>want
> >>
> >>>>it
> >>>>to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
> >>
> >>option
> >>
> >>>>is
> >>>>grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
> >>
> >>words
> >>
> >>>>I
> >>>>list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
> >>>>
> >>>>Don
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The
Server"?
> >>
> >>You
> >>
> >>>won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to
detect
> >>>those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server
> >
> > doesn't
> >
> >>>do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
> >>
> >>(the
> >>
> >>>latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
> >>>
> >>>Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or
> >
> > an
> >
> >>>attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
> >>>message rules work on the headers of the message.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop
> >
> > processing
> >
> >>more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL
> >
> > the
> >
> >>words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
> >>at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
> >>doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option
is
> >>grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if
> >
> > it's
> >
> >>grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
> >>Don
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

Good work, Don. Terms need to be entered one at a time without any spaces.
If memory serves, more than one term could be added at a time in OE4 by
using commas.

--
Tim K.
aka Kuay Tim
MS-MVP - Outlook Express
Lynnwood, WA
*
"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:cd844$43a0be22$a6664287$20481@ALLTEL.NET...
Don here...hold the presses...I just discovered how to UNGRAY option #2.

The key is to type a single word in the rule description section and then
click ADD...then type another single word and click ADD again and so forth
until all the words you want screened are entered and ADDED...then click
OPTIONS and the option #2 will not be grayed out and the word OR will appear
between all the words and the rule works!

Amazing! Problem solved.

Don
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
news:ewqtm6QAGHA.2984@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Don wrote:
>
> > Hi Tim,
> > Both options under option 2 are grayed out so can't use either one. And
> > since it is my understanding that OE is only set up to allow rules
applying
> > to the FROM...TO...CC...and SUBJECT lines and not the MESSAGE BODY it
makes
> > it very difficult to set up a rule to delete spam. The SUBJECT line
seems
> > to be the easiest to apply a rule to if it contains specific
> > words...BUT...the way it looks to me is that all dozen or so words that
I'd
> > like to screen for have to appear in the message SUBJECT line in order
for
> > the rule to work. If I could make the rule say "if ANY of these words
> > appear" then delete the message it woiuld be great Someone out there
must
> > know the answer. Thanks for the reply..
> > Don
>
> Are the words in the rule clickable? If so, click on one of the words
> and then click on "Options" and change it to "or" instead of "and".
>
> Alias
>

Don wrote:

> Don here...hold the presses...I just discovered how to UNGRAY option #2.
>
> The key is to type a single word in the rule description section and then
> click ADD...then type another single word and click ADD again and so forth
> until all the words you want screened are entered and ADDED...then click
> OPTIONS and the option #2 will not be grayed out and the word OR will appear
> between all the words and the rule works!
>
> Amazing! Problem solved.
>
> Don

Once you know, it's embarassingly simple :-)

Alias
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:ewqtm6QAGHA.2984@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>>Don wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Tim,
>>>Both options under option 2 are grayed out so can't use either one. And
>>>since it is my understanding that OE is only set up to allow rules
>
> applying
>
>>>to the FROM...TO...CC...and SUBJECT lines and not the MESSAGE BODY it
>
> makes
>
>>>it very difficult to set up a rule to delete spam. The SUBJECT line
>
> seems
>
>>>to be the easiest to apply a rule to if it contains specific
>>>words...BUT...the way it looks to me is that all dozen or so words that
>
> I'd
>
>>>like to screen for have to appear in the message SUBJECT line in order
>
> for
>
>>>the rule to work. If I could make the rule say "if ANY of these words
>>>appear" then delete the message it woiuld be great Someone out there
>
> must
>
>>>know the answer. Thanks for the reply..
>>>Don
>>
>>Are the words in the rule clickable? If so, click on one of the words
>>and then click on "Options" and change it to "or" instead of "and".
>>
>>Alias
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
>
>>>-----------------------------
>>>"Kuay Tim" <TimJohn@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>news:u94GlrQAGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Don,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know the reason for this behavior, but do notice that some of my
>>>>rules exhibit the grayed-out option 2. Even though it's a bit bothersome
>>>
>>>can
>>>
>>>
>>>>you create a new, replacement rule using option 2?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Tim K.
>>>>aka Kuay Tim
>>>>MS-MVP - Outlook Express
>>>>Lynnwood, WA
>>>>*
>>>>"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:6643c$43a0a7f7$a6664287$14198@ALLTEL.NET. ..
>>>>
>>>>"DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
>>>>news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
>>>>
>>>>want
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
>>>>
>>>>option
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
>>>>
>>>>words
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The
>
> Server"?
>
>>>>You
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to
>
> detect
>
>>>>>those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server
>>>
>>>doesn't
>>>
>>>
>>>>>do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
>>>>
>>>>(the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
>>>>>
>>>>>Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or
>>>
>>>an
>>>
>>>
>>>>>attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
>>>>>message rules work on the headers of the message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop
>>>
>>>processing
>>>
>>>
>>>>more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
>>>>at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
>>>>doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option
>
> is
>
>>>>grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if
>>>
>>>it's
>>>
>>>
>>>>grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

"Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:6643c$43a0a7f7$a6664287$14198@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "DGuess" <majik@mindspring.oops> wrote in message
> news:uOV9NLQAGHA.344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> "Don" <dmcglynn@alltel.net> wrote in message
>> news:8990a$43a0a0d8$a6664287$12527@ALLTEL.NET...
>> > In the message rule, "where subject line contains specific words" I
> want
>> > it
>> > to delete the message if ANY of the words I list show up but that
> option
>> > is
>> > grayed out. So, in order for the message to be deleted, ALL of the
> words
>> > I
>> > list must show up. How can I ungray that option?
>> >
>> > Don
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Are you using "Delete From Server" or "Do Not Download From The Server"?
> You
>> won't be able to use it that way as the message has to be read to detect
>> those words, hence it must be downloaded which Delete From Server doesn't
>> do. You would use "Delete It" and "Stop Processing More Rules" instead
> (the
>> latter if the mesage meets all criteria).
>>
>> Any message where it has to detect words in the body of the message or an
>> attachment have to be downloaded first to be checked. The rest of the
>> message rules work on the headers of the message.
>>
>>
>
> No...I'm just asking it to just "delete it" and I also use "stop
> processing
> more rules". The problem is it will not delete the message unless ALL
> the
> words appear in the SUBJECT line which is what I'm asking it to look
> at...not the message body. I want it to delete the message if ANY of the
> doz. or so words I have listed appear in the subject line. That option is
> grayed out and I need to know how I can choose that option...I can't if
> it's
> grayed out. What's the key to getting to that option?
> Don
>
>



Well, I see you found out the solution, one I had forgotten about. I think
the space character was/is the culprit on some but not all. Seems like it
was discovered by someone testing a way to add a space to one rule in some
form and ended up having to edit it with regedit into the value. You and
Kuay Tim are the only ones I've seen with it this way. Personally mine
doesn't gray out when doing multiple words.

Now I'm wondering, how many words did you add and in what form?