I'm familiar with using message rules to filter my mail. I'm trying to
set up a new message rule to use the option of "Do not download from
the server".

However, when I create the message rule, it says "Apply this rule after
the message arrives"..

How can I apply the rule _before_ the message is downloaded?

Thanks!
MikeB

After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

<MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm familiar with using message rules to filter my mail. I'm trying to
> set up a new message rule to use the option of "Do not download from
> the server".
>
> However, when I create the message rule, it says "Apply this rule after
> the message arrives"..
>
> How can I apply the rule _before_ the message is downloaded?
>
> Thanks!
> MikeB
>

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.

D'oh!! Lol, as if I would expect Rules to function before the message
arrives?

Now that muddies things up. I have a number of rules, the last of which
transfers all of my mail to a user-defined folder so that no mail is
left in the Inbox.

The rule I'm having difficulty with is the 2nd rule in a long list. It
is set to not download a particular set of messages. These messages are
all in my inbox, meaning, in my understanding, that they were processed
by the rule in question, but by no other rule, not even the rule that
routes all other mail away from the Inbox. Any advice?

Rules have to be in a logical order. Put the rule to move your mail to a
specific folder at the top. Stop processing more rules probably should not
be checked for this rule.

The second rule. Is it a Message Body rule? Delete it from server, and Do
not download from server only work on To, CC, From, Subject and size. The
best you can do for a Message Body rule is Delete it & Stop processing more
rules.

Some tips:
http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm

Message Rules not working?:
http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules
--
Bruce Hagen
MS MVP - Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

<MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.
>
> D'oh!! Lol, as if I would expect Rules to function before the message
> arrives?
>
> Now that muddies things up. I have a number of rules, the last of which
> transfers all of my mail to a user-defined folder so that no mail is
> left in the Inbox.
>
> The rule I'm having difficulty with is the 2nd rule in a long list. It
> is set to not download a particular set of messages. These messages are
> all in my inbox, meaning, in my understanding, that they were processed
> by the rule in question, but by no other rule, not even the rule that
> routes all other mail away from the Inbox. Any advice?
>

If your rule is do not download, then you should also have stop processing
more rules.
--
Ron Sommer

<MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.
>
> D'oh!! Lol, as if I would expect Rules to function before the message
> arrives?
>
> Now that muddies things up. I have a number of rules, the last of which
> transfers all of my mail to a user-defined folder so that no mail is
> left in the Inbox.
>
> The rule I'm having difficulty with is the 2nd rule in a long list. It
> is set to not download a particular set of messages. These messages are
> all in my inbox, meaning, in my understanding, that they were processed
> by the rule in question, but by no other rule, not even the rule that
> routes all other mail away from the Inbox. Any advice?
>

From http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm
"Because it moves messages, the rule requires the "stop processing" action.
If that is omitted, a message might fit the condition (it has an attachment)
but it will be tested against all following rules, and so will never be
moved to the Attachments folder. "

The move rule should be one of the last rules.
You should remove spam before moving to a folder.
--
Ron Sommer

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
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> Rules have to be in a logical order. Put the rule to move your mail to a
> specific folder at the top. Stop processing more rules probably should not
> be checked for this rule.
>
> The second rule. Is it a Message Body rule? Delete it from server, and Do
> not download from server only work on To, CC, From, Subject and size. The
> best you can do for a Message Body rule is Delete it & Stop processing
> more rules.
>
> Some tips:
> http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm
>
> Message Rules not working?:
> http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS MVP - Outlook Express
> ~IB-CA~
>
> <MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134681637.034715.105580@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>> After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.
>>
>> D'oh!! Lol, as if I would expect Rules to function before the message
>> arrives?
>>
>> Now that muddies things up. I have a number of rules, the last of which
>> transfers all of my mail to a user-defined folder so that no mail is
>> left in the Inbox.
>>
>> The rule I'm having difficulty with is the 2nd rule in a long list. It
>> is set to not download a particular set of messages. These messages are
>> all in my inbox, meaning, in my understanding, that they were processed
>> by the rule in question, but by no other rule, not even the rule that
>> routes all other mail away from the Inbox. Any advice?
>>
>

- The Actions "Delete from Server" and "Do Not Download" can only test
information in the message header (FROM, TO, CC, SUBJECT, message size).
If you test text in the message body or "has attachment", the message
must be download first for this test, negating the action. Also, these
must be the first rules in your list, or a preceding one may cause the
message to download. (Warning: "Do Not Download" should be a temporary
rule. If you just leave messages on the server, eventually your server
mail account will fill and you'll not receive any new mail.)

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


<MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>> After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.
>
> D'oh!! Lol, as if I would expect Rules to function before the message
> arrives?
>
> Now that muddies things up. I have a number of rules, the last of
> which
> transfers all of my mail to a user-defined folder so that no mail is
> left in the Inbox.
>
> The rule I'm having difficulty with is the 2nd rule in a long list. It
> is set to not download a particular set of messages. These messages
> are
> all in my inbox, meaning, in my understanding, that they were
> processed
> by the rule in question, but by no other rule, not even the rule that
> routes all other mail away from the Inbox. Any advice?
>

You can't. Do not download can't have Stop processing more rules.

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"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@nospam.ktis.net> wrote in message
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> If your rule is do not download, then you should also have stop processing
> more rules.
> --
> Ron Sommer
>
> <MPBrede@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1134681637.034715.105580@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>> After the message arrives = Arrives at the server, not in your Inbox.
>>
>> D'oh!! Lol, as if I would expect Rules to function before the message
>> arrives?
>>
>> Now that muddies things up. I have a number of rules, the last of which
>> transfers all of my mail to a user-defined folder so that no mail is
>> left in the Inbox.
>>
>> The rule I'm having difficulty with is the 2nd rule in a long list. It
>> is set to not download a particular set of messages. These messages are
>> all in my inbox, meaning, in my understanding, that they were processed
>> by the rule in question, but by no other rule, not even the rule that
>> routes all other mail away from the Inbox. Any advice?
>>
>
>

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> Rules have to be in a logical order. Put the rule to move your mail to a
> specific folder at the top. Stop processing more rules probably should not
> be checked for this rule.
>
> The second rule. Is it a Message Body rule? Delete it from server, and Do
> not download from server only work on To, CC, From, Subject and size. The
> best you can do for a Message Body rule is Delete it & Stop processing more
> rules.
>
> Some tips:
> http://www.insideoe.com/tips/rules.htm
>
> Message Rules not working?:
> http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/faqs/why.htm#rules
> --

Bruce, thanks. The first link did the trick. From there I found the
problem. My spam filltering rule (ahead of the "do not download" rule)
was checking the message body. I switched them around and everything is
working just fine.

Mike

Michael Santovec wrote:
> - The Actions "Delete from Server" and "Do Not Download" can only test
> information in the message header (FROM, TO, CC, SUBJECT, message size).
> If you test text in the message body or "has attachment", the message
> must be download first for this test, negating the action. Also, these
> must be the first rules in your list, or a preceding one may cause the
> message to download. (Warning: "Do Not Download" should be a temporary
> rule. If you just leave messages on the server, eventually your server
> mail account will fill and you'll not receive any new mail.)
>

Yes, that was my problem - the first rule downloaded the message to
check in the message body. I switched rules and now the messages don't
download.

My server account will never fill up - it is a gmail account and I want
to leave certain mailing lists only in the gmail account and not
download it into OE. I've routed my usual address to gmail and now use
gmail as my POP. Works great and the spam filtering is excellent, now
I'm not downloading that horde of spam to filter it on my PC - gmail
filters it out before downloading.

Mike