KB823353 Cumulative Security Update Outlook Express

PA Bear,

This message is through Outlook Express as you requested. I hope you will
find it easier this way.

Automatic updates were not available and I doubt it was excessive server
demand.
I kept the PC busy for approximately 6 hours, doing things I usually do
without letting the connection drop.
Didnt go away from it for a single second and I was never idle.
I tried it with the schedule option in which I gave the PC 3 times a
specific time to check for updates.
Also tried the notify option for all these 6 hours, absolutely no
notification of any updates.

About SP2. I totally respect your opinion but I prefer not having the
message pop up from the security center which is extremely annoying to me.
I also want to add that when the time comes that I will need SP2 for the
updates, I will give it the appropriate consideration.
And I also know that by that time, it is very likely that Microsoft will
have the problem corrected like it usually happens...Usually thats the way
with Microsoft products, you know, like all these patches for WinXp which
should have been a reliable product right from the start...

The seven updates that appear now in windows update, 99% are the ones that
should be there.
When you told me to unistall the 2 hotfixes and install them manually, then
go to windows update and check what is offered,
I found the new updates and I checked on the release date and it was the
same day...So I grabed everything, cause I thought the deal was to do that,
forgive me if I misunderstood that.
As a matter of fact I remember the update that I checked the release date
on. Among the otherthat I should find, there were four more if I remember
the amount correctly, the one I checked was the one regarding the problems
someone might face with SYSTEM RESTORE.
I remember that very clearly. So all those were installed. And since they
were installed, there is no way that I could be notified for them yesterday,
when I downloaded them and installed them the day before...

I will not follow the SP2 as I said but I will try the non SP2 procedure
(lol).




The new updates were downloaded on the day they were


"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OS0k4tbAGHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
>
> Blame it on excessive server demand. The Dec-05 patches were just
released
> so it may take several (<7, usually) for Automatic Updates to "kick in",
> even if you were fully patched prior to 13 Dec-05.
>
> > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading everything
> > is idle...
>
> Perhaps not a wise setting if you want AU to work properly/efficiently and
> depend on it keeping your system fully patched. If you decide to stick
with
> this setting, I'd recommended configuring AU to "notify only" setting
(won't
> automatically download or install updates).
>
> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
>
> > ...With SP2 I didnt have problems,
> > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason I
> > didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
>
> No offense but that sounds rather petty to me, given the added security
> you'd enjoy running SP2. Assuming you're referring to Security Center's
> ability to monitor your third-party firewall, I think you'll find
> improvements have been made in this area since you installed SP2 on the
> other machine. Know, too, that in the not-too-distant future you'll need
> SP2 installed to be able to get *any* Windows Updates.
>
> We digress...
>
> > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> >
> > KB905915
> > KB897715
> > KB900725
> > KB891781
> > KB839645
> > KB826939
> > KB823353
>
> I'd strongly recommend installing WinXP SP2 & rebooting before installing
> any other of the updates. Doing so may (help to) resolve this OE update
> problem but YMMV. If you choose not to do so, I'd install all of the
> updates WU is finding now, reboot, and then check-in at WU once more.
After
> doing so, post back before installing any further OE updates, stating the
OE
> identified as needed by WU and your current versions of MSOE.DLL and
> INETCOMM.DLL.
>
> Related: If you posted to this newsgroup using OE, I'd be able to discern
> your current versions of these files from your headers. To open this
> newsgroup in OE (assuming it's your default News client), click on (or
> copy/paste into IE Addressbar) the following link:
>
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>
> References:
>
> Inside Outlook Express - Communities and Newsgroups for Outlook Express:
> http://www.insideoe.com/resources/co...tm#setupmsnews
>
> Using Outlook Express To View Newsgroups:
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default...worldwide%2fen
-gb%2fnewsout.asp
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
>
> dimie71 wrote:
> > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> >
> > About the SP2 comments. The WinXP SP1 installation that I am running has
> > never been involved with SP2. Had another installation with SP2, on
which
> > I did the roll back to SP1 but had problems so I formatted and sice then
> > using this one which never went into SP2. With SP2 I didnt have
problems,
> > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason I
> > didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
> >
> > I did what you told me, reinstalled IE/OE, went to windows update and
here
> > are the results.
> >
> > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> >
> > KB905915
> > KB897715
> > KB900725
> > KB891781
> > KB839645
> > KB826939
> > KB823353
> >
> > As you told me I didnt download or install them.
> > msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll both are version 6.00.2800.1106 NOW.
> >
> > I am running Mircosoft Antispyware on this machine and I also use
another
> > software (ad-aware SE). Both are up-to-date with their definitions and
> > versions.
> > Today I also used hijackthis to see if I notice something running in the
> > background.
> > Everything seems to be fine.
> > I have been using this copy of XP for a year, have absolutely no
problem,
> > apart from this window update problem that I have.
> > I have tried to have my PC on with my firewall on&off for days. I have a
> > small program that logs all the connections or the attempts to connect,
> > that this computer tries or other try towards mine. Nothing found that
> > would be considered unexpected.
> > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading everything
> > is idle...
> >
> > What now?
> > (will not thank you once more, I suppose you do know its boring to
repeat
> > myself...)
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear" wrote:
> >
> > > Recap: You reinstalled IE/OE, leaving you with MSOE.DLL
v6.00.2800.1106
> > > > You then manually downloaded/installed 823353, 887797 and 897715, in
> > > that order and rebooting inbetween > Windows Update says you still
need
> > > to install 823353.
> > >
> > > Does Automatic Updates tell you the same thing?
> > >
> > > Reinstall IE/OE again > Instead of installing the updates manually, go
> > > to Windows Update and see which of the OE updates it offers you >
Write
> > > it down but do not install it > Post back and tell me which update was
> > > offered.
> > >
> > > Given this unexpected behavior and your problems after installing
WinXP
> > > SP2, I suspect you may have a hijackware infection.
> > >
> > > Related: If you've not installed any other updates since reinstalling
> > > IE, your system remains vulnerable! Make sure the Windows Firewall
(or
> > > a third-party one) is enabled and that you install all other updates
> > > ASAP. I would not install WinXP SP2 with the machine in its current
> > > state. --
> > > ~PA Bear
> > >
> > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > Thanks PA Bear,
> > > >
> > > > I tried part of the procedure described in that article. Modified
> > > > that key in the registry for Outlook Express, reinstalled Internet
> > > > Exlporer which reinstalls Outlook Express with it, checked after and
> > > > the msoe.dll version was 6.00.2800.1106 !!!
> > > >
> > > > So I thought if the version is right, why dont I try the procedure
you
> > > > described in your first reply. So I did everything...but...Windows
> > > > update still reports that I need to install this 823353 (although I
> > > > did that manually with the correct version of msoe.dll, according to
> > > > your first post).
> > > >
> > > > But I can tell you this!
> > > >
> > > > msoe.dll version is now 6.00.2800.1506 !!!
> > > > inetcomm.dll is also 6.00.2800.1506
> > > >
> > > > Now does that mean that the file is installed but for some reason my
> > > > computer doesnt report that correctly to the windows update website?
> > > >
> > > > Any way to check through the file versions if the 823353 is
installed
> > > > despite what the windows update is reporting?
> > > > If my pc reports something badly, and only if the file is already
> > > > installed, then I can just go to the windows update website and
> > > > choose to hide that update
> > > > AND THEN WE ARE FINE!
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what ya think.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for all the "walkthrough" (lol) and give me a short answer
> > > > on the above thoughts please...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I never had 823353 in my installed components, it never appeared
> > > > > > in add/remove
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I understand that. I had my reasons for asking what I did
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > > With 897715 and 887797 uninstalled the versions are :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > msoe.dll 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > inetcomm.dll 6.00.2800.1441
> > > > >
> > > > > Installing 823353 (Yes, I know, but bear with me) *gives* you
those
> > > > > versions of those files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why did it happen? Known issues with OE Updates and Windows
Update
> > > > > notwithstanding (I think we've ruled this out), I suspect it was
> > > > > caused by problems already present on the machine when you
> > > > > installed WinXP SP2 a while ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Short answer: You're only going to fix this by Repairing or
> > > > > Reinstalling OE per http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378...or
> > > > > backing up for personal data, formatting and reinstalling WinXP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best of luck.
> > > > > --
> > > > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> > > > > DTS-L.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > PA Bear,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Antivirus was not active during the procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I said in my previous message, after the procedure it went
> > > > > > down to msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1437.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Therefore with unistalling 897715, reboot, unistalling 887797,
> > > > > > reboot, the version is
> > > > > > msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1437.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something you didnt get right cause perhaps it was not so clear.
> > > > > > I never had 823353 in my installed components, it never appeared
> > > > > > in add/remove, it just came up in WINDOWS UPDATE and it would
> > > > > > never install... The procedure in windows update would report
> > > > > > that it had successfully installed 823353 but it would never
> > > > > > appear as installed in add/remove, it would only appear every
> > > > > > time in windows update!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With 897715 and 887797 uninstalled the versions are :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > msoe.dll 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > inetcomm.dll 6.00.2800.1441
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And something else. I said that I dont want to install SP2 for
the
> > > > > > annoying messages. That means that I will definately not install
> > > > > > SP2...Therefore I dont care if SP2 is in anyway affected by the
> > > > > > specific problem I have right now because I am not interested in
> > > > > > installing it for the reasons I described before...Omg,
> > > > > > remembering how annoying it was, I wouldnt even bother and I
also
> > > > > > do not recommend that SP2 is installed if you have your own
> > > > > > firewall!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, thanks for all your effort so far!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please include all of previous message(s) in your replies to
the
> > > > > > > newsgroup.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you do all this with OE and your anti-virus application
> > > > > > > closed throughout?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What versions are MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL now?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you uninstall 897715, reboot, uninstall 887797 & reboot, is
> > > > > > > 823353 found in Add/Remove Programs? If so, uninstall it &
> > > > > > > reboot, then post back with the then-current versions of
> > > > > > > MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would not install SP2 while this problem persists.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > > > > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> > > > > > > DTS-L.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your answer PA Bear.
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately it didnt work.
> > > > > > > > Here is the result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Unistalled 887997 and rebooted. Checked windows update
and
> > > > > > > > the only result I had was 823353, still downloaded,
> > > > > > > > reinstalled, still came up in the next check.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Tried from Step 2a and below.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > msoe.dll (of course not msimn.exe !) version was
> > > > > > > > 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I thought what the heck, will try it anyway (wasnt a good
> > > > > > > > thought after all). Managed to install 823353 manually!
> > > > > > > > Managed to install 887797 manually.
> > > > > > > > Managed to install 897715 manually.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After all the reboots, I returned to windows update and
found
> > > > > > > > out that 823353 was still waiting fom me there!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Was that caused from the msoe.dll version? I mean, if it was
> > > > > > > > 6.00.2800.1409 or earlier, would it work?
> > > > > > > > How do I get to the versions of msoe.dll that will make it
> > > > > > > > work? (assuming thats the case here)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About your suggestion for WinXP SP2, well used to run SP2, I
> > > > > > > > was terribly annoyed by the continueing messages concerning
my
> > > > > > > > firewall (unfortunately I havent met anybody who can disable
> > > > > > > > that warning), removed SP2, WinXP kept crashing after the
> > > > > > > > roll back, tried multiple ways of repairing, all failed, so
I
> > > > > > > > decided I will stick with SP1 which is fine so far (after I
> > > > > > > > reinstalled WinXp)
> > > > > > > > I have my own purchased antivirus&firewall software so SP2
was
> > > > > > > > really a pain in the butt.
> > > > > > > > Would move on to SP2 if that annoying firewall message could
> > > > > > > > go away.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1478
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Uninstall 887797 ('Windows XP - KB887797'?) via
> > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Programs and reboot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2a. Assuming MSOE.DLL (not Outlook Express/MSIMN.EXE) is
now
> > > > > > > > > v6.00.2800.1409 or earlier (i.e., v6.00.2800.1123 or
> > > > > > > > > v6.00.2800.1106), install (KB)823353 manually using the
file
> > > > > > > > > downloaded from
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...6BC-DAF0-4EAB-
89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2b. Optional: Reboot and install KB887797 via
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...&FamilyID=fda6
678b-69b0-4813-9856-a1a3da675baf
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3. Reboot and (re)install (KB)897715 manually using the
file
> > > > > > > > > downloaded from
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8ee-4d8e-4660-
a53d-28502b3d2518
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Alternatively, after #1 above, check in at Windows Update
> > > > > > > > > and install whatever OE Cumulative Update is now offered
> > > > > > > > > and reboot. Then return to Windows Update to see if
another
> > > > > > > > > one's now offered you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > OT: I'd get WinXP SP2 installed ASAP, too.
> > > > > > > <paste>
> > > > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > > > I have a similar but somehow different problem with this
> > > > > > > > update. Like most people said it keeps coming back, update
> > > > > > > > finds it already downloaded, reinstalls everytime and next
> > > > > > > > time its still there.
> > > > > > > > I tried all possible solutions described in here so far,
none
> > > > > > > > worked. I get some other error messages as if I am not
running
> > > > > > > > Outlook Express 6 or 6 SP1.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First of all i unistalled the update KB897715 and tried to
> > > > > > > > install through windows update but also manually (by
> > > > > > > > downloading the file) the update KB823353. Still it didnt
> > > > > > > > work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I try to install the update by executing the file I get
> > > > > > > > this message
> > > > > > > > > This update requires Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 to
be
> > > > > > > > > installed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I try to install the version for thats for Outlook
> > > > > > > > Express 6 without SP1, I get a message saying :
> > > > > > > > This update requires Outlook Express 6 to be installed !!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok, here's some info you might find useful before you ask
for
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Running WinXP Pro SP1.
> > > > > > > > At the about screen of Outlook Express, its version 6 (I
> > > > > > > > already knew that...).
> > > > > > > > More specifically its 6.00.2800.1123 (after unistalling the
> > > > > > > > KB897715, dont know if it was different before).
> > > > > > > > msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1478
> > > > > > > <snip>
>

PA Bear,

This message is through Outlook Express as you requested. I hope you will
find it easier this way.

Automatic updates were not available and I doubt it was excessive server
demand.
I kept the PC busy for approximately 6 hours, doing things I usually do
without letting the connection drop.
Didnt go away from it for a single second and I was never idle.
I tried it with the schedule option in which I gave the PC 3 times a
specific time to check for updates.
Also tried the notify option for all these 6 hours, absolutely no
notification of any updates.

About SP2. I totally respect your opinion but I prefer not having the
message pop up from the security center which is extremely annoying to me.
I also want to add that when the time comes that I will need SP2 for the
updates, I will give it the appropriate consideration.
And I also know that by that time, it is very likely that Microsoft will
have the problem corrected like it usually happens...Usually thats the way
with Microsoft products, you know, like all these patches for WinXp which
should have been a reliable product right from the start...

The seven updates that appear now in windows update, 99% are the ones that
should be there.
When you told me to unistall the 2 hotfixes and install them manually, then
go to windows update and check what is offered,
I found the new updates and I checked on the release date and it was the
same day...So I grabed everything, cause I thought the deal was to do that,
forgive me if I misunderstood that.
As a matter of fact I remember the update that I checked the release date
on. Among the otherthat I should find, there were four more if I remember
the amount correctly, the one I checked was the one regarding the problems
someone might face with SYSTEM RESTORE.
I remember that very clearly. So all those were installed. And since they
were installed, there is no way that I could be notified for them yesterday,
when I downloaded them and installed them the day before...

I will not follow the SP2 as I said but I will try the non SP2 procedure
(lol).
I downloaded and installed the following updates from windows update

905915
897715
900725
891781
839645
826939
823353 (this file is always ALREADY downloaded everytime, it just skips
download and installs normally everytime but never makes it in the end...)

Went at Windows Update after reboot and I eternally have there the one and
ONLY 823353.
(again saying already downloaded...)

versions of msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are 1506 again (in case you cant see
that...)

Hey PA Bear, I got a nut cracker here, surrender anytime you get sick of
it...hehehe




"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OS0k4tbAGHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
>
> Blame it on excessive server demand. The Dec-05 patches were just
released
> so it may take several (<7, usually) for Automatic Updates to "kick in",
> even if you were fully patched prior to 13 Dec-05.
>
> > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading everything
> > is idle...
>
> Perhaps not a wise setting if you want AU to work properly/efficiently and
> depend on it keeping your system fully patched. If you decide to stick
with
> this setting, I'd recommended configuring AU to "notify only" setting
(won't
> automatically download or install updates).
>
> How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
>
> > ...With SP2 I didnt have problems,
> > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason I
> > didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
>
> No offense but that sounds rather petty to me, given the added security
> you'd enjoy running SP2. Assuming you're referring to Security Center's
> ability to monitor your third-party firewall, I think you'll find
> improvements have been made in this area since you installed SP2 on the
> other machine. Know, too, that in the not-too-distant future you'll need
> SP2 installed to be able to get *any* Windows Updates.
>
> We digress...
>
> > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> >
> > KB905915
> > KB897715
> > KB900725
> > KB891781
> > KB839645
> > KB826939
> > KB823353
>
> I'd strongly recommend installing WinXP SP2 & rebooting before installing
> any other of the updates. Doing so may (help to) resolve this OE update
> problem but YMMV. If you choose not to do so, I'd install all of the
> updates WU is finding now, reboot, and then check-in at WU once more.
After
> doing so, post back before installing any further OE updates, stating the
OE
> identified as needed by WU and your current versions of MSOE.DLL and
> INETCOMM.DLL.
>
> Related: If you posted to this newsgroup using OE, I'd be able to discern
> your current versions of these files from your headers. To open this
> newsgroup in OE (assuming it's your default News client), click on (or
> copy/paste into IE Addressbar) the following link:
>
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
>
> References:
>
> Inside Outlook Express - Communities and Newsgroups for Outlook Express:
> http://www.insideoe.com/resources/co...tm#setupmsnews
>
> Using Outlook Express To View Newsgroups:
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default...worldwide%2fen
-gb%2fnewsout.asp
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
>
> dimie71 wrote:
> > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> >
> > About the SP2 comments. The WinXP SP1 installation that I am running has
> > never been involved with SP2. Had another installation with SP2, on
which
> > I did the roll back to SP1 but had problems so I formatted and sice then
> > using this one which never went into SP2. With SP2 I didnt have
problems,
> > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason I
> > didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
> >
> > I did what you told me, reinstalled IE/OE, went to windows update and
here
> > are the results.
> >
> > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> >
> > KB905915
> > KB897715
> > KB900725
> > KB891781
> > KB839645
> > KB826939
> > KB823353
> >
> > As you told me I didnt download or install them.
> > msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll both are version 6.00.2800.1106 NOW.
> >
> > I am running Mircosoft Antispyware on this machine and I also use
another
> > software (ad-aware SE). Both are up-to-date with their definitions and
> > versions.
> > Today I also used hijackthis to see if I notice something running in the
> > background.
> > Everything seems to be fine.
> > I have been using this copy of XP for a year, have absolutely no
problem,
> > apart from this window update problem that I have.
> > I have tried to have my PC on with my firewall on&off for days. I have a
> > small program that logs all the connections or the attempts to connect,
> > that this computer tries or other try towards mine. Nothing found that
> > would be considered unexpected.
> > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading everything
> > is idle...
> >
> > What now?
> > (will not thank you once more, I suppose you do know its boring to
repeat
> > myself...)
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear" wrote:
> >
> > > Recap: You reinstalled IE/OE, leaving you with MSOE.DLL
v6.00.2800.1106
> > > > You then manually downloaded/installed 823353, 887797 and 897715, in
> > > that order and rebooting inbetween > Windows Update says you still
need
> > > to install 823353.
> > >
> > > Does Automatic Updates tell you the same thing?
> > >
> > > Reinstall IE/OE again > Instead of installing the updates manually, go
> > > to Windows Update and see which of the OE updates it offers you >
Write
> > > it down but do not install it > Post back and tell me which update was
> > > offered.
> > >
> > > Given this unexpected behavior and your problems after installing
WinXP
> > > SP2, I suspect you may have a hijackware infection.
> > >
> > > Related: If you've not installed any other updates since reinstalling
> > > IE, your system remains vulnerable! Make sure the Windows Firewall
(or
> > > a third-party one) is enabled and that you install all other updates
> > > ASAP. I would not install WinXP SP2 with the machine in its current
> > > state. --
> > > ~PA Bear
> > >
> > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > Thanks PA Bear,
> > > >
> > > > I tried part of the procedure described in that article. Modified
> > > > that key in the registry for Outlook Express, reinstalled Internet
> > > > Exlporer which reinstalls Outlook Express with it, checked after and
> > > > the msoe.dll version was 6.00.2800.1106 !!!
> > > >
> > > > So I thought if the version is right, why dont I try the procedure
you
> > > > described in your first reply. So I did everything...but...Windows
> > > > update still reports that I need to install this 823353 (although I
> > > > did that manually with the correct version of msoe.dll, according to
> > > > your first post).
> > > >
> > > > But I can tell you this!
> > > >
> > > > msoe.dll version is now 6.00.2800.1506 !!!
> > > > inetcomm.dll is also 6.00.2800.1506
> > > >
> > > > Now does that mean that the file is installed but for some reason my
> > > > computer doesnt report that correctly to the windows update website?
> > > >
> > > > Any way to check through the file versions if the 823353 is
installed
> > > > despite what the windows update is reporting?
> > > > If my pc reports something badly, and only if the file is already
> > > > installed, then I can just go to the windows update website and
> > > > choose to hide that update
> > > > AND THEN WE ARE FINE!
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what ya think.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for all the "walkthrough" (lol) and give me a short answer
> > > > on the above thoughts please...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I never had 823353 in my installed components, it never appeared
> > > > > > in add/remove
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I understand that. I had my reasons for asking what I did
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > > With 897715 and 887797 uninstalled the versions are :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > msoe.dll 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > inetcomm.dll 6.00.2800.1441
> > > > >
> > > > > Installing 823353 (Yes, I know, but bear with me) *gives* you
those
> > > > > versions of those files.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why did it happen? Known issues with OE Updates and Windows
Update
> > > > > notwithstanding (I think we've ruled this out), I suspect it was
> > > > > caused by problems already present on the machine when you
> > > > > installed WinXP SP2 a while ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Short answer: You're only going to fix this by Repairing or
> > > > > Reinstalling OE per http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378...or
> > > > > backing up for personal data, formatting and reinstalling WinXP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best of luck.
> > > > > --
> > > > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> > > > > DTS-L.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > PA Bear,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Antivirus was not active during the procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I said in my previous message, after the procedure it went
> > > > > > down to msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1437.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Therefore with unistalling 897715, reboot, unistalling 887797,
> > > > > > reboot, the version is
> > > > > > msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1437.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Something you didnt get right cause perhaps it was not so clear.
> > > > > > I never had 823353 in my installed components, it never appeared
> > > > > > in add/remove, it just came up in WINDOWS UPDATE and it would
> > > > > > never install... The procedure in windows update would report
> > > > > > that it had successfully installed 823353 but it would never
> > > > > > appear as installed in add/remove, it would only appear every
> > > > > > time in windows update!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With 897715 and 887797 uninstalled the versions are :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > msoe.dll 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > inetcomm.dll 6.00.2800.1441
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And something else. I said that I dont want to install SP2 for
the
> > > > > > annoying messages. That means that I will definately not install
> > > > > > SP2...Therefore I dont care if SP2 is in anyway affected by the
> > > > > > specific problem I have right now because I am not interested in
> > > > > > installing it for the reasons I described before...Omg,
> > > > > > remembering how annoying it was, I wouldnt even bother and I
also
> > > > > > do not recommend that SP2 is installed if you have your own
> > > > > > firewall!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey, thanks for all your effort so far!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please include all of previous message(s) in your replies to
the
> > > > > > > newsgroup.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you do all this with OE and your anti-virus application
> > > > > > > closed throughout?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What versions are MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL now?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you uninstall 897715, reboot, uninstall 887797 & reboot, is
> > > > > > > 823353 found in Add/Remove Programs? If so, uninstall it &
> > > > > > > reboot, then post back with the then-current versions of
> > > > > > > MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would not install SP2 while this problem persists.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > > > > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> > > > > > > DTS-L.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your answer PA Bear.
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately it didnt work.
> > > > > > > > Here is the result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Unistalled 887997 and rebooted. Checked windows update
and
> > > > > > > > the only result I had was 823353, still downloaded,
> > > > > > > > reinstalled, still came up in the next check.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Tried from Step 2a and below.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > msoe.dll (of course not msimn.exe !) version was
> > > > > > > > 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I thought what the heck, will try it anyway (wasnt a good
> > > > > > > > thought after all). Managed to install 823353 manually!
> > > > > > > > Managed to install 887797 manually.
> > > > > > > > Managed to install 897715 manually.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After all the reboots, I returned to windows update and
found
> > > > > > > > out that 823353 was still waiting fom me there!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Was that caused from the msoe.dll version? I mean, if it was
> > > > > > > > 6.00.2800.1409 or earlier, would it work?
> > > > > > > > How do I get to the versions of msoe.dll that will make it
> > > > > > > > work? (assuming thats the case here)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About your suggestion for WinXP SP2, well used to run SP2, I
> > > > > > > > was terribly annoyed by the continueing messages concerning
my
> > > > > > > > firewall (unfortunately I havent met anybody who can disable
> > > > > > > > that warning), removed SP2, WinXP kept crashing after the
> > > > > > > > roll back, tried multiple ways of repairing, all failed, so
I
> > > > > > > > decided I will stick with SP1 which is fine so far (after I
> > > > > > > > reinstalled WinXp)
> > > > > > > > I have my own purchased antivirus&firewall software so SP2
was
> > > > > > > > really a pain in the butt.
> > > > > > > > Would move on to SP2 if that annoying firewall message could
> > > > > > > > go away.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1478
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Uninstall 887797 ('Windows XP - KB887797'?) via
> > > > > > > > > Add/Remove Programs and reboot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2a. Assuming MSOE.DLL (not Outlook Express/MSIMN.EXE) is
now
> > > > > > > > > v6.00.2800.1409 or earlier (i.e., v6.00.2800.1123 or
> > > > > > > > > v6.00.2800.1106), install (KB)823353 manually using the
file
> > > > > > > > > downloaded from
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...6BC-DAF0-4EAB-
89B8-BD702B3E3E5D&displaylang=en
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2b. Optional: Reboot and install KB887797 via
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...&FamilyID=fda6
678b-69b0-4813-9856-a1a3da675baf
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3. Reboot and (re)install (KB)897715 manually using the
file
> > > > > > > > > downloaded from
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8ee-4d8e-4660-
a53d-28502b3d2518
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Alternatively, after #1 above, check in at Windows Update
> > > > > > > > > and install whatever OE Cumulative Update is now offered
> > > > > > > > > and reboot. Then return to Windows Update to see if
another
> > > > > > > > > one's now offered you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > OT: I'd get WinXP SP2 installed ASAP, too.
> > > > > > > <paste>
> > > > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > > > I have a similar but somehow different problem with this
> > > > > > > > update. Like most people said it keeps coming back, update
> > > > > > > > finds it already downloaded, reinstalls everytime and next
> > > > > > > > time its still there.
> > > > > > > > I tried all possible solutions described in here so far,
none
> > > > > > > > worked. I get some other error messages as if I am not
running
> > > > > > > > Outlook Express 6 or 6 SP1.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First of all i unistalled the update KB897715 and tried to
> > > > > > > > install through windows update but also manually (by
> > > > > > > > downloading the file) the update KB823353. Still it didnt
> > > > > > > > work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I try to install the update by executing the file I get
> > > > > > > > this message
> > > > > > > > > This update requires Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1 to
be
> > > > > > > > > installed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I try to install the version for thats for Outlook
> > > > > > > > Express 6 without SP1, I get a message saying :
> > > > > > > > This update requires Outlook Express 6 to be installed !!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok, here's some info you might find useful before you ask
for
> > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Running WinXP Pro SP1.
> > > > > > > > At the about screen of Outlook Express, its version 6 (I
> > > > > > > > already knew that...).
> > > > > > > > More specifically its 6.00.2800.1123 (after unistalling the
> > > > > > > > KB897715, dont know if it was different before).
> > > > > > > > msoe.dll version 6.00.2800.1478
> > > > > > > <snip>
>

I dont know how I accidentally posted an incomplete answer to your message.
The one before this one is the complete one, the one before the previous one
is INCOMPLETE.

I am really sorry.

Thanks!

P.S. Question...Any way to delete a faulty post?
"dimie71" wrote:

> PA Bear,
>
> This message is through Outlook Express as you requested. I hope you will
> find it easier this way.
>
> Automatic updates were not available and I doubt it was excessive server
> demand.
> I kept the PC busy for approximately 6 hours, doing things I usually do
> without letting the connection drop.
> Didnt go away from it for a single second and I was never idle.
> I tried it with the schedule option in which I gave the PC 3 times a
> specific time to check for updates.
> Also tried the notify option for all these 6 hours, absolutely no
> notification of any updates.
>
> About SP2. I totally respect your opinion but I prefer not having the
> message pop up from the security center which is extremely annoying to me.
> I also want to add that when the time comes that I will need SP2 for the
> updates, I will give it the appropriate consideration.
> And I also know that by that time, it is very likely that Microsoft will
> have the problem corrected like it usually happens...Usually thats the way
> with Microsoft products, you know, like all these patches for WinXp which
> should have been a reliable product right from the start...
>
> The seven updates that appear now in windows update, 99% are the ones that
> should be there.
> When you told me to unistall the 2 hotfixes and install them manually, then
> go to windows update and check what is offered,
> I found the new updates and I checked on the release date and it was the
> same day...So I grabed everything, cause I thought the deal was to do that,
> forgive me if I misunderstood that.
> As a matter of fact I remember the update that I checked the release date
> on. Among the otherthat I should find, there were four more if I remember
> the amount correctly, the one I checked was the one regarding the problems
> someone might face with SYSTEM RESTORE.
> I remember that very clearly. So all those were installed. And since they
> were installed, there is no way that I could be notified for them yesterday,
> when I downloaded them and installed them the day before...
>
> I will not follow the SP2 as I said but I will try the non SP2 procedure
> (lol).
> I downloaded and installed the following updates from windows update
>
> 905915
> 897715
> 900725
> 891781
> 839645
> 826939
> 823353 (this file is always ALREADY downloaded everytime, it just skips
> download and installs normally everytime but never makes it in the end...)
>
> Went at Windows Update after reboot and I eternally have there the one and
> ONLY 823353.
> (again saying already downloaded...)
>
> versions of msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are 1506 again (in case you cant see
> that...)
>
> Hey PA Bear, I got a nut cracker here, surrender anytime you get sick of
> it...hehehe
>
>
>
>
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OS0k4tbAGHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> >
> > Blame it on excessive server demand. The Dec-05 patches were just
> released
> > so it may take several (<7, usually) for Automatic Updates to "kick in",
> > even if you were fully patched prior to 13 Dec-05.
> >
> > > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading everything
> > > is idle...
> >
> > Perhaps not a wise setting if you want AU to work properly/efficiently and
> > depend on it keeping your system fully patched. If you decide to stick
> with
> > this setting, I'd recommended configuring AU to "notify only" setting
> (won't
> > automatically download or install updates).
> >
> > How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
> >
> > > ...With SP2 I didnt have problems,
> > > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason I
> > > didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
> >
> > No offense but that sounds rather petty to me, given the added security
> > you'd enjoy running SP2. Assuming you're referring to Security Center's
> > ability to monitor your third-party firewall, I think you'll find
> > improvements have been made in this area since you installed SP2 on the
> > other machine. Know, too, that in the not-too-distant future you'll need
> > SP2 installed to be able to get *any* Windows Updates.
> >
> > We digress...
> >
> > > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> > >
> > > KB905915
> > > KB897715
> > > KB900725
> > > KB891781
> > > KB839645
> > > KB826939
> > > KB823353
> >
> > I'd strongly recommend installing WinXP SP2 & rebooting before installing
> > any other of the updates. Doing so may (help to) resolve this OE update
> > problem but YMMV. If you choose not to do so, I'd install all of the
> > updates WU is finding now, reboot, and then check-in at WU once more.
> After
> > doing so, post back before installing any further OE updates, stating the
> OE
> > identified as needed by WU and your current versions of MSOE.DLL and
> > INETCOMM.DLL.
> >
> > Related: If you posted to this newsgroup using OE, I'd be able to discern
> > your current versions of these files from your headers. To open this
> > newsgroup in OE (assuming it's your default News client), click on (or
> > copy/paste into IE Addressbar) the following link:
> >
> > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
> >
> > References:
> >
> > Inside Outlook Express - Communities and Newsgroups for Outlook Express:
> > http://www.insideoe.com/resources/co...tm#setupmsnews
> >
> > Using Outlook Express To View Newsgroups:
> >
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...worldwide%2fen
> -gb%2fnewsout.asp
> > --
> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP, DTS-L.org
> >
> > dimie71 wrote:
> > > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> > >
> > > About the SP2 comments. The WinXP SP1 installation that I am running has
> > > never been involved with SP2. Had another installation with SP2, on
> which
> > > I did the roll back to SP1 but had problems so I formatted and sice then
> > > using this one which never went into SP2. With SP2 I didnt have
> problems,
> > > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason I
> > > didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
> > >
> > > I did what you told me, reinstalled IE/OE, went to windows update and
> here
> > > are the results.
> > >
> > > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> > >
> > > KB905915
> > > KB897715
> > > KB900725
> > > KB891781
> > > KB839645
> > > KB826939
> > > KB823353
> > >
> > > As you told me I didnt download or install them.
> > > msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll both are version 6.00.2800.1106 NOW.
> > >
> > > I am running Mircosoft Antispyware on this machine and I also use
> another
> > > software (ad-aware SE). Both are up-to-date with their definitions and
> > > versions.
> > > Today I also used hijackthis to see if I notice something running in the
> > > background.
> > > Everything seems to be fine.
> > > I have been using this copy of XP for a year, have absolutely no
> problem,
> > > apart from this window update problem that I have.
> > > I have tried to have my PC on with my firewall on&off for days. I have a
> > > small program that logs all the connections or the attempts to connect,
> > > that this computer tries or other try towards mine. Nothing found that
> > > would be considered unexpected.
> > > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading everything
> > > is idle...
> > >
> > > What now?
> > > (will not thank you once more, I suppose you do know its boring to
> repeat
> > > myself...)
> > >
> > >
> > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Recap: You reinstalled IE/OE, leaving you with MSOE.DLL
> v6.00.2800.1106
> > > > > You then manually downloaded/installed 823353, 887797 and 897715, in
> > > > that order and rebooting inbetween > Windows Update says you still
> need
> > > > to install 823353.
> > > >
> > > > Does Automatic Updates tell you the same thing?
> > > >
> > > > Reinstall IE/OE again > Instead of installing the updates manually, go
> > > > to Windows Update and see which of the OE updates it offers you >
> Write
> > > > it down but do not install it > Post back and tell me which update was
> > > > offered.
> > > >
> > > > Given this unexpected behavior and your problems after installing
> WinXP
> > > > SP2, I suspect you may have a hijackware infection.
> > > >
> > > > Related: If you've not installed any other updates since reinstalling
> > > > IE, your system remains vulnerable! Make sure the Windows Firewall
> (or
> > > > a third-party one) is enabled and that you install all other updates
> > > > ASAP. I would not install WinXP SP2 with the machine in its current
> > > > state. --
> > > > ~PA Bear
> > > >
> > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > Thanks PA Bear,
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried part of the procedure described in that article. Modified
> > > > > that key in the registry for Outlook Express, reinstalled Internet
> > > > > Exlporer which reinstalls Outlook Express with it, checked after and
> > > > > the msoe.dll version was 6.00.2800.1106 !!!
> > > > >
> > > > > So I thought if the version is right, why dont I try the procedure
> you
> > > > > described in your first reply. So I did everything...but...Windows
> > > > > update still reports that I need to install this 823353 (although I
> > > > > did that manually with the correct version of msoe.dll, according to
> > > > > your first post).
> > > > >
> > > > > But I can tell you this!
> > > > >
> > > > > msoe.dll version is now 6.00.2800.1506 !!!
> > > > > inetcomm.dll is also 6.00.2800.1506
> > > > >
> > > > > Now does that mean that the file is installed but for some reason my
> > > > > computer doesnt report that correctly to the windows update website?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any way to check through the file versions if the 823353 is
> installed
> > > > > despite what the windows update is reporting?
> > > > > If my pc reports something badly, and only if the file is already
> > > > > installed, then I can just go to the windows update website and
> > > > > choose to hide that update
> > > > > AND THEN WE ARE FINE!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know what ya think.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for all the "walkthrough" (lol) and give me a short answer
> > > > > on the above thoughts please...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "PA Bear" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I never had 823353 in my installed components, it never appeared
> > > > > > > in add/remove
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I understand that. I had my reasons for asking what I did
> > > > > > though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > With 897715 and 887797 uninstalled the versions are :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > msoe.dll 6.00.2800.1437
> > > > > > > inetcomm.dll 6.00.2800.1441
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Installing 823353 (Yes, I know, but bear with me) *gives* you
> those
> > > > > > versions of those files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why did it happen? Known issues with OE Updates and Windows
> Update
> > > > > > notwithstanding (I think we've ruled this out), I suspect it was
> > > > > > caused by problems already present on the machine when you
> > > > > > installed WinXP SP2 a while ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Short answer: You're only going to fix this by Repairing or
> > > > > > Reinstalling OE per http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=318378...or
> > > > > > backing up for personal data, formatting and reinstalling WinXP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best of luck.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > > > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> > > > > > DTS-L.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > > > > PA Bear,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Antivirus was not active during the procedure.

Thread history:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...d9fac72a12a877

Nice work!

At this juncture and considering all you've gone through so far to resolve
this, I'd say it's time to cut your losses, bite the bullet, get out that
ol' nutcracker and (1) backup your personal data, (2) format the box and
then (3) reinstall Windows XP. I would /not/ do a Repair Install.

Afterwards, see:

Before You Connect a New Computer to the Internet
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/before_you_plug_in.html

Or you could just live with the problem. Your choice. I've given it my
best shot. Best of luck.
--
~PA Bear

dimie71 wrote:
> This message is through Outlook Express as you requested. I hope you will
> find it easier this way.
>
> Automatic updates were not available and I doubt it was excessive server
> demand.
> I kept the PC busy for approximately 6 hours, doing things I usually do
> without letting the connection drop.
> Didnt go away from it for a single second and I was never idle.
> I tried it with the schedule option in which I gave the PC 3 times a
> specific time to check for updates.
> Also tried the notify option for all these 6 hours, absolutely no
> notification of any updates.
>
> About SP2. I totally respect your opinion but I prefer not having the
> message pop up from the security center which is extremely annoying to me.
> I also want to add that when the time comes that I will need SP2 for the
> updates, I will give it the appropriate consideration.
> And I also know that by that time, it is very likely that Microsoft will
> have the problem corrected like it usually happens...Usually thats the way
> with Microsoft products, you know, like all these patches for WinXp which
> should have been a reliable product right from the start...
>
> The seven updates that appear now in windows update, 99% are the ones that
> should be there.
> When you told me to unistall the 2 hotfixes and install them manually,
> then go to windows update and check what is offered,
> I found the new updates and I checked on the release date and it was the
> same day...So I grabed everything, cause I thought the deal was to do
> that, forgive me if I misunderstood that.
> As a matter of fact I remember the update that I checked the release date
> on. Among the otherthat I should find, there were four more if I remember
> the amount correctly, the one I checked was the one regarding the problems
> someone might face with SYSTEM RESTORE.
> I remember that very clearly. So all those were installed. And since they
> were installed, there is no way that I could be notified for them
> yesterday, when I downloaded them and installed them the day before...
>
> I will not follow the SP2 as I said but I will try the non SP2 procedure
> (lol).
> I downloaded and installed the following updates from windows update
>
> 905915
> 897715
> 900725
> 891781
> 839645
> 826939
> 823353 (this file is always ALREADY downloaded everytime, it just skips
> download and installs normally everytime but never makes it in the end...)
>
> Went at Windows Update after reboot and I eternally have there the one and
> ONLY 823353.
> (again saying already downloaded...)
>
> versions of msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are 1506 again (in case you cant see
> that...)
>
> Hey PA Bear, I got a nut cracker here, surrender anytime you get sick of
> it...hehehe
>
> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OS0k4tbAGHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> >
> > Blame it on excessive server demand. The Dec-05 patches were just
> > released so it may take several (<7, usually) for Automatic Updates to
> > "kick in", even if you were fully patched prior to 13 Dec-05.
> >
> > > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading
> > > everything is idle...
> >
> > Perhaps not a wise setting if you want AU to work properly/efficiently
> > and depend on it keeping your system fully patched. If you decide to
> > stick with this setting, I'd recommended configuring AU to "notify
> > only" setting (won't automatically download or install updates).
> >
> > How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
> >
> > > ...With SP2 I didnt have problems,
> > > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY reason
> > > I didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
> >
> > No offense but that sounds rather petty to me, given the added security
> > you'd enjoy running SP2. Assuming you're referring to Security Center's
> > ability to monitor your third-party firewall, I think you'll find
> > improvements have been made in this area since you installed SP2 on the
> > other machine. Know, too, that in the not-too-distant future you'll
> > need SP2 installed to be able to get *any* Windows Updates.
> >
> > We digress...
> >
> > > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> > >
> > > KB905915
> > > KB897715
> > > KB900725
> > > KB891781
> > > KB839645
> > > KB826939
> > > KB823353
> >
> > I'd strongly recommend installing WinXP SP2 & rebooting before
> > installing any other of the updates. Doing so may (help to) resolve
> > this OE update problem but YMMV. If you choose not to do so, I'd
> > install all of the updates WU is finding now, reboot, and then check-in
> > at WU once more. After doing so, post back before installing any
> > further OE updates, stating the OE identified as needed by WU and your
> > current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL.
> >
> > Related: If you posted to this newsgroup using OE, I'd be able to
> > discern your current versions of these files from your headers. To
> > open this newsgroup in OE (assuming it's your default News client),
> > click on (or copy/paste into IE Addressbar) the following link:
> >
> > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
> >
> > References:
> >
> > Inside Outlook Express - Communities and Newsgroups for Outlook Express:
> > http://www.insideoe.com/resources/co...tm#setupmsnews
> >
> > Using Outlook Express To View Newsgroups:
> >
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...%2fnewsout.asp
<snip>

PS: I've pinged another OE/Windows Update expert (Freudi) to see if he might
be able to offer something.
--
~PA Bear

Don't worry about it.

> P.S. Question...Any way to delete a faulty post?

No.
--
~PA Bear


dimie71 wrote:
> I dont know how I accidentally posted an incomplete answer to your
> message. The one before this one is the complete one, the one before the
> previous one is INCOMPLETE.
>
> I am really sorry.
>
> Thanks!
>
> P.S. Question...Any way to delete a faulty post?
> "dimie71" wrote:
>
> > PA Bear,
> >
> > This message is through Outlook Express as you requested. I hope you
> > will find it easier this way.
> >
> > Automatic updates were not available and I doubt it was excessive server
> > demand.
> > I kept the PC busy for approximately 6 hours, doing things I usually do
> > without letting the connection drop.
> > Didnt go away from it for a single second and I was never idle.
> > I tried it with the schedule option in which I gave the PC 3 times a
> > specific time to check for updates.
> > Also tried the notify option for all these 6 hours, absolutely no
> > notification of any updates.
> >
> > About SP2. I totally respect your opinion but I prefer not having the
> > message pop up from the security center which is extremely annoying to
> > me. I also want to add that when the time comes that I will need SP2
> > for the updates, I will give it the appropriate consideration.
> > And I also know that by that time, it is very likely that Microsoft will
> > have the problem corrected like it usually happens...Usually thats the
> > way with Microsoft products, you know, like all these patches for WinXp
> > which should have been a reliable product right from the start...
> >
> > The seven updates that appear now in windows update, 99% are the ones
> > that should be there.
> > When you told me to unistall the 2 hotfixes and install them manually,
> > then go to windows update and check what is offered,
> > I found the new updates and I checked on the release date and it was the
> > same day...So I grabed everything, cause I thought the deal was to do
> > that, forgive me if I misunderstood that.
> > As a matter of fact I remember the update that I checked the release
> > date on. Among the otherthat I should find, there were four more if I
> > remember the amount correctly, the one I checked was the one regarding
> > the problems someone might face with SYSTEM RESTORE.
> > I remember that very clearly. So all those were installed. And since
> > they were installed, there is no way that I could be notified for them
> > yesterday, when I downloaded them and installed them the day before...
> >
> > I will not follow the SP2 as I said but I will try the non SP2 procedure
> > (lol).
> > I downloaded and installed the following updates from windows update
> >
> > 905915
> > 897715
> > 900725
> > 891781
> > 839645
> > 826939
> > 823353 (this file is always ALREADY downloaded everytime, it just skips
> > download and installs normally everytime but never makes it in the
> > end...)
> >
> > Went at Windows Update after reboot and I eternally have there the one
> > and ONLY 823353.
> > (again saying already downloaded...)
> >
> > versions of msoe.dll and inetcomm.dll are 1506 again (in case you cant
> > see that...)
> >
> > Hey PA Bear, I got a nut cracker here, surrender anytime you get sick of
> > it...hehehe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OS0k4tbAGHA.264@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> > >
> > > Blame it on excessive server demand. The Dec-05 patches were just
> > > released so it may take several (<7, usually) for Automatic Updates
> > > to "kick in", even if you were fully patched prior to 13 Dec-05.
> > >
> > > > I have also set my router to drop my connection if its idle after 30
> > > > minutes and so it does, when I am not browsing or downloading
> > > > everything is idle...
> > >
> > > Perhaps not a wise setting if you want AU to work
> > > properly/efficiently and depend on it keeping your system fully
> > > patched. If you decide to stick with this setting, I'd recommended
> > > configuring AU to "notify only" setting (won't automatically download
> > > or install updates).
> > >
> > > How to configure and use Automatic Updates in Windows XP:
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306525
> > >
> > > > ...With SP2 I didnt have problems,
> > > > I just hated the message about my firewall...That was the ONLY
> > > > reason I didnt like SP2, thats why I dont want to install them.
> > >
> > > No offense but that sounds rather petty to me, given the added
> > > security you'd enjoy running SP2. Assuming you're referring to
> > > Security Center's ability to monitor your third-party firewall, I
> > > think you'll find improvements have been made in this area since you
> > > installed SP2 on the other machine. Know, too, that in the
> > > not-too-distant future you'll need SP2 installed to be able to get
> > > *any* Windows Updates.
> > >
> > > We digress...
> > >
> > > > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> > > >
> > > > KB905915
> > > > KB897715
> > > > KB900725
> > > > KB891781
> > > > KB839645
> > > > KB826939
> > > > KB823353
> > >
> > > I'd strongly recommend installing WinXP SP2 & rebooting before
> > > installing any other of the updates. Doing so may (help to) resolve
> > > this OE update problem but YMMV. If you choose not to do so, I'd
> > > install all of the updates WU is finding now, reboot, and then
> > > check-in at WU once more. After doing so, post back before installing
> > > any further OE updates, stating the OE identified as needed by WU and
> > > your current versions of MSOE.DLL and INETCOMM.DLL.
> > >
> > > Related: If you posted to this newsgroup using OE, I'd be able to
> > > discern your current versions of these files from your headers. To
> > > open this newsgroup in OE (assuming it's your default News client),
> > > click on (or copy/paste into IE Addressbar) the following link:
> > >
> > > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....windowsupdate
> > >
> > > References:
> > >
> > > Inside Outlook Express - Communities and Newsgroups for Outlook
> > > Express: http://www.insideoe.com/resources/co...tm#setupmsnews
> > >
> > > Using Outlook Express To View Newsgroups:
> > >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...worldwide%2fen
> > -gb%2fnewsout.asp
> > > --
> > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> > > MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> > > DTS-L.org
> > >
> > > dimie71 wrote:
> > > > Automatic updates do not inform me for any available updates.
> > > >
> > > > About the SP2 comments. The WinXP SP1 installation that I am
> > > > running has never been involved with SP2. Had another installation
> > > > with SP2, on which I did the roll back to SP1 but had problems so I
> > > > formatted and sice then using this one which never went into SP2.
> > > > With SP2 I didnt have problems, I just hated the message about my
> > > > firewall...That was the ONLY reason I didnt like SP2, thats why I
> > > > dont want to install them.
> > > >
> > > > I did what you told me, reinstalled IE/OE, went to windows update
> > > > and here are the results.
> > > >
> > > > Windows update reports that the following updates are offered...
> > > >
> > > > KB905915
> > > > KB897715
> > > > KB900725
> > > > KB891781
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