Hi Wes,
Mensch, this stuff drives me nuts when I let it. Thanks for the heads-up re
the service name-change; Regardless, your info isn't enough for me to get
things going on my own (and I *do* appreciate your post!!). I may have to
sacrifice my systems to hacks trained in Windows-Networking arcana. Network
Wizard is about as useful for my setting up the most trivial network as is
Excel's number-crunching capabilities are accurate (not good, fwiw).

I'm at a bare-bones level (I have no proxy servers, etc.), am letting my
ISP/router set up the addressing (mistake? dunno), have tried this with
Windows Firewall (a joke) on and off, and countless other configurations out
of, what, more than 4536 possibilities just at the easily accessible
interfaces?

I am new to this newsgroup, and don't yet know if it's the right place to be
posting. Would you suggest I post to another spot? This NG might be the
equivalent of the excel.newuser group, which is fine, but not the spot for
more specific questions.

Again: I have an XP Pro machine with two comm cards; I want to have it
connect to the Inet, and the rest of my humble LAN connect to the Inet
through my primary computer. This is a home-based operation (and the IP
address is whatever my ISP wants to dish out). Where to start?---as all of
my attempts thus far have been futile. And FWIW, I found setting up a far
more substantial network some years back with Macs and Suns a hell of a lot
more straightforward.

Grumpy in Sillycone Valley,
Dave Braden
(Excel)

"Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23AlqvGN3FHA.400@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> This service is renamed to Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection
> Sharing (ICS) after the installation of Service Pack 2.
>
> This service was named Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) / Internet
> Connection Sharing (ICS) with Service Pack 1a.
>
> --
> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>
> Wes
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> In news:%230ljJn$2FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
> David J. Braden <dbraden@nomail.invalid> hunted and pecked:
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to get two PCs networked, one to share a connection with the
>> other (it has two LAN cards). I have been able to get these computers to
>> recognize each other, but the client couldn't get to the Internet.
>>
>> Is this possibly because ICS isn't evidently installed for either
>> computer? I don't see it among the services, and yet I see reference to
>> it in "XP Inside Out". What can I do, please.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance,
>> Dave Braden
>

I am no expert, but going by my own system, which used to use ICS to connect
my wife's Pc to the internet, the ICS option only appears on a dial up
connection. Dial up includes the USB broadband modem that I used for my
ADSL line. Now that I have switched to an ADSL modem/router my PC connects
via an Ethernet cable (as does my wife's) and neither show the ICS option.
I suspect that by using a router you have negated the ICS facility. To get
it back you would need to have a dial up (or broadband modem pseudo dial up)
set up.

It happens that the broadband dial up software is still on my PC and I have
just checked to confirm that it is only on the dial up connection that I
have an ICS option, there is no such facility on the Ethernet connection.
Hope this helps.
--
Keith Willcocks
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!)



"David J. Braden" <dbraden@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:uyAM$tV5FHA.3636@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi Wes,
> Mensch, this stuff drives me nuts when I let it. Thanks for the heads-up
> re the service name-change; Regardless, your info isn't enough for me to
> get things going on my own (and I *do* appreciate your post!!). I may
> have to sacrifice my systems to hacks trained in Windows-Networking
> arcana. Network Wizard is about as useful for my setting up the most
> trivial network as is Excel's number-crunching capabilities are accurate
> (not good, fwiw).
>
> I'm at a bare-bones level (I have no proxy servers, etc.), am letting my
> ISP/router set up the addressing (mistake? dunno), have tried this with
> Windows Firewall (a joke) on and off, and countless other configurations
> out of, what, more than 4536 possibilities just at the easily accessible
> interfaces?
>
> I am new to this newsgroup, and don't yet know if it's the right place to
> be posting. Would you suggest I post to another spot? This NG might be the
> equivalent of the excel.newuser group, which is fine, but not the spot for
> more specific questions.
>
> Again: I have an XP Pro machine with two comm cards; I want to have it
> connect to the Inet, and the rest of my humble LAN connect to the Inet
> through my primary computer. This is a home-based operation (and the IP
> address is whatever my ISP wants to dish out). Where to start?---as all of
> my attempts thus far have been futile. And FWIW, I found setting up a far
> more substantial network some years back with Macs and Suns a hell of a
> lot more straightforward.
>
> Grumpy in Sillycone Valley,
> Dave Braden
> (Excel)
>
> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23AlqvGN3FHA.400@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> This service is renamed to Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet Connection
>> Sharing (ICS) after the installation of Service Pack 2.
>>
>> This service was named Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) / Internet
>> Connection Sharing (ICS) with Service Pack 1a.
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>
>> Wes
>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>
>> In news:%230ljJn$2FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
>> David J. Braden <dbraden@nomail.invalid> hunted and pecked:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm trying to get two PCs networked, one to share a connection with the
>>> other (it has two LAN cards). I have been able to get these computers to
>>> recognize each other, but the client couldn't get to the Internet.
>>>
>>> Is this possibly because ICS isn't evidently installed for either
>>> computer? I don't see it among the services, and yet I see reference to
>>> it in "XP Inside Out". What can I do, please.
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>> Dave Braden
>>
>
>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:27:16 -0800, David J. Braden wrote:
> I am new to this newsgroup, and don't yet know if it's the right place to be
> posting. Would you suggest I post to another spot? This NG might be the
> equivalent of the excel.newuser group, which is fine, but not the spot for
> more specific questions.
>
> Again: I have an XP Pro machine with two comm cards; I want to have it
> connect to the Inet, and the rest of my humble LAN connect to the Inet
> through my primary computer. This is a home-based operation (and the IP
> address is whatever my ISP wants to dish out). Where to start?---as all of
> my attempts thus far have been futile. And FWIW, I found setting up a far
> more substantial network some years back with Macs and Suns a hell of a lot
> more straightforward.
>

Most home networks skip ICS when there's a router and do peer to peer
workgroup. Topography is:
modem-->router-->workgroup
The router manages the internet connection and the workgroup.

You want to have
modem-->router-->one pc serving the internet connection --> one or more
pcs. (Not sure if you want to fit workgroup/lan in there or not.)

One problem that could complicate the desired configuration: ICS has an IP
hardcoded and some routers use the same one. If the IP is changeable on the
router, then I'm pretty sure that you should be able to do what you want.

My only experiences with home networking have been using ICS or using the
first configuration shown above so I don't know how to set up what you want
(a combo of the two). The folks in the windowsxp.networking_web newsgroup
should be able to set you on the right path though.

You can find some useful articles here:
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/
And here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...e/default.mspx
I find Barb Bowman's articles to be especially helpful for configuring a
network.

Also, did you try the XP networking wizard? I'm not particularly a fan of
wizards but this one is halfway decent and might help. Incidentally, I see
the settings for ICS on the Advanced page of the properties sheets for the
NIC in Network Connections. I do not find it listed in the General
properties with things like File and Print Sharing.
--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User

Keith,
Thanks for the feedback. *I* see the service that Wes pointed to under my
ADSL connection (through a hardware firewall); as he pointed out, it is now
(as of SP 2) under the Windows Firewall service. Why you don't see it
puzzles, and to an extent worries, me, at least to the degree it might throw
a local "netxpert" for a loop.

I'm used to solving this sort of stuff on my own in a timely fashion, and
feel embarrassed that I just don't get it. Regardless, I *will* get this set
up, and, at Wes's prodding, report the "solution" to you guys. I used to
post a lot in the Excel ng's (I was an MVP), and can really appreciate
seeing an OP replying with what did the trick for his/her problem.

Last queries: this seems like a "basic" question to me; am I off in this
regard? Or should I be posting for this sort of help in another NG?

If *any* of you want help w/ mathematical economics or theoretical/applied
statistics, plz feel free to post to the ms.excel.* groups. I owe you guys.
And I actually know something about the areas, as opposed to my total
inanity re networks.

Regards,
Dave Braden

"Keith Willcocks" <buccaneer@invalidaddress.com> wrote in message
news:em8GJdW5FHA.4076@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I am no expert, but going by my own system, which used to use ICS to
>connect my wife's Pc to the internet, the ICS option only appears on a dial
>up connection. Dial up includes the USB broadband modem that I used for
>my ADSL line. Now that I have switched to an ADSL modem/router my PC
>connects via an Ethernet cable (as does my wife's) and neither show the ICS
>option. I suspect that by using a router you have negated the ICS facility.
>To get it back you would need to have a dial up (or broadband modem pseudo
>dial up) set up.
>
> It happens that the broadband dial up software is still on my PC and I
> have just checked to confirm that it is only on the dial up connection
> that I have an ICS option, there is no such facility on the Ethernet
> connection.
> Hope this helps.
> --
> Keith Willcocks
> (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living!)
>
>
>
> "David J. Braden" <dbraden@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uyAM$tV5FHA.3636@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Wes,
>> Mensch, this stuff drives me nuts when I let it. Thanks for the heads-up
>> re the service name-change; Regardless, your info isn't enough for me to
>> get things going on my own (and I *do* appreciate your post!!). I may
>> have to sacrifice my systems to hacks trained in Windows-Networking
>> arcana. Network Wizard is about as useful for my setting up the most
>> trivial network as is Excel's number-crunching capabilities are accurate
>> (not good, fwiw).
>>
>> I'm at a bare-bones level (I have no proxy servers, etc.), am letting my
>> ISP/router set up the addressing (mistake? dunno), have tried this with
>> Windows Firewall (a joke) on and off, and countless other configurations
>> out of, what, more than 4536 possibilities just at the easily accessible
>> interfaces?
>>
>> I am new to this newsgroup, and don't yet know if it's the right place to
>> be posting. Would you suggest I post to another spot? This NG might be
>> the equivalent of the excel.newuser group, which is fine, but not the
>> spot for more specific questions.
>>
>> Again: I have an XP Pro machine with two comm cards; I want to have it
>> connect to the Inet, and the rest of my humble LAN connect to the Inet
>> through my primary computer. This is a home-based operation (and the IP
>> address is whatever my ISP wants to dish out). Where to start?---as all
>> of my attempts thus far have been futile. And FWIW, I found setting up a
>> far more substantial network some years back with Macs and Suns a hell of
>> a lot more straightforward.
>>
>> Grumpy in Sillycone Valley,
>> Dave Braden
>> (Excel)
>>
>> "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23AlqvGN3FHA.400@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> This service is renamed to Windows Firewall (ICF) and Internet
>>> Connection
>>> Sharing (ICS) after the installation of Service Pack 2.
>>>
>>> This service was named Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) / Internet
>>> Connection Sharing (ICS) with Service Pack 1a.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>> In news:%230ljJn$2FHA.476@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl,
>>> David J. Braden <dbraden@nomail.invalid> hunted and pecked:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I'm trying to get two PCs networked, one to share a connection with the
>>>> other (it has two LAN cards). I have been able to get these computers
>>>> to
>>>> recognize each other, but the client couldn't get to the Internet.
>>>>
>>>> Is this possibly because ICS isn't evidently installed for either
>>>> computer? I don't see it among the services, and yet I see reference to
>>>> it in "XP Inside Out". What can I do, please.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>> Dave Braden
>>>
>>
>>
>
>