Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
startup at boot?

I'm using WinXP Home w/SP2.
Most of my startup applications startup via HKLM with 1 or 2 from HKCU.

I use a DSL "always on" connection. At present, my network connection is
established before my Norton Internet Security software starts up.

Is there a way I can force Norton Internet Security (Anti-Virus) to startup
first, especially before the DSL connection is established?

If it has to be that all hardware drivers and software load before any
add-on software. Is there a way to delay DSL communication for maybe 15-30
seconds (at boot) to give Norton time to load?

Thanks for any help!

Best regards,
Richard in Va.

Networking starts as a service and is active even when no one is logged on.
Same should be true for NIS check your documentation.

--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Richard in Va." wrote:
> Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
> startup at boot?
>
> I'm using WinXP Home w/SP2.
> Most of my startup applications startup via HKLM with 1 or 2 from HKCU.
>
> I use a DSL "always on" connection. At present, my network connection is
> established before my Norton Internet Security software starts up.
>
> Is there a way I can force Norton Internet Security (Anti-Virus) to
> startup first, especially before the DSL connection is established?
>
> If it has to be that all hardware drivers and software load before any
> add-on software. Is there a way to delay DSL communication for maybe 15-30
> seconds (at boot) to give Norton time to load?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Best regards,
> Richard in Va.
>

Okay... So is there a way to change the order in which applications and
services startup at boot?

I would prefer to have all Norton Internet Security applications/services
running before my DSL connection is established during boot.

I know that I can disable my network connections prior to shutting down the
computer which will require me to re-enable it the next time I boot.
However, I do have other users who's limited user account will not allow for
making changes to network connections. Including the enabling and disabling
of.


Best regards,
Richard in Va.
++++++++++++++++++++++


"Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Networking starts as a service and is active even when no one is logged
> on. Same should be true for NIS check your documentation.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "Richard in Va." wrote:
>> Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
>> startup at boot?
>>
>> I'm using WinXP Home w/SP2.
>> Most of my startup applications startup via HKLM with 1 or 2 from HKCU.
>>
>> I use a DSL "always on" connection. At present, my network connection is
>> established before my Norton Internet Security software starts up.
>>
>> Is there a way I can force Norton Internet Security (Anti-Virus) to
>> startup first, especially before the DSL connection is established?
>>
>> If it has to be that all hardware drivers and software load before any
>> add-on software. Is there a way to delay DSL communication for maybe
>> 15-30 seconds (at boot) to give Norton time to load?
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Richard in Va.
>>
>
>

Two separate issues.

For services.
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;193888
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;115486

For applications.
To start applications sequentially create a shell script something like this
and place it in your \Startup directory.

-------------mystartup.cmd-------------
start "" "D:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\outlook.exe"
start "" "D:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\word.exe"
start "" "D:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\excel.exe"
---------------end file------------------

I'll be surprised if NIS isn't already started before the network.

--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Richard in Va." wrote:
> Okay... So is there a way to change the order in which applications and
> services startup at boot?
>
> I would prefer to have all Norton Internet Security applications/services
> running before my DSL connection is established during boot.
>
> I know that I can disable my network connections prior to shutting down
> the computer which will require me to re-enable it the next time I boot.
> However, I do have other users who's limited user account will not allow
> for making changes to network connections. Including the enabling and
> disabling of.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Richard in Va.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++

Dave,
Your MS links are helpful. I've read thru the first link which discusses
how to set dependencies for services.
"How to delay loading of specific services"
Using this approach, I would make the network (DSL) service wait or "depend"
on the NIS service "ISSVC".
This would work I suppose just fine. So long as NIS is installed and
configured to run at startup.

I have not yet read thru the 2nd MS link you provided, will do so shortly.

My reason for asking this to begin with is because when I boot and watch the
system tray, I notice that the DSL network connection icon appears and
blinks a few times. Then I see the Windows Security Center icon along with a
warning that my system security is turned off. Then I see the NIS icon in
the tray and after a moment, the Windows Security message goes away.
The NIS icon is furthest from the clock, which I assume to be the last
program or service to be loaded.
(Programs or services that are providing a tray icon to view)

Really don't know if there are any security issues here. I've just always
wondered what nasty little treat I receive from the internet before NIS gets
up and running.

I have a system at work I use that has much the same setup, but using
dialup. I've noticed that on several occasions that after a complete boot,
when I connect to the internet I will get a message from NIS that I have
just received a treat and that NIS has blocked it. And this is without any
email or browser application open.

Now that's scary!

I'll read thru your 2nd link soon. But today I've taken the day off to do
yard work and such.
It's sunny and about 70deg here and the clock is ticking!

Thanks for you help!

Best regards,
Richard in Va.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
"Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23KRjzUY1FHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Two separate issues.
>
> For services.
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;193888
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;115486
>
> For applications.
> To start applications sequentially create a shell script something like
> this and place it in your \Startup directory.
>
> -------------mystartup.cmd-------------
> start "" "D:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\outlook.exe"
> start "" "D:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\word.exe"
> start "" "D:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\excel.exe"
> ---------------end file------------------
>
> I'll be surprised if NIS isn't already started before the network.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "Richard in Va." wrote:
>> Okay... So is there a way to change the order in which applications and
>> services startup at boot?
>>
>> I would prefer to have all Norton Internet Security applications/services
>> running before my DSL connection is established during boot.
>>
>> I know that I can disable my network connections prior to shutting down
>> the computer which will require me to re-enable it the next time I boot.
>> However, I do have other users who's limited user account will not allow
>> for making changes to network connections. Including the enabling and
>> disabling of.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Richard in Va.
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>

I stopped using symantec products some years back so I can't say for sure.
That doesn't sound right though. The firewall should be in place when the
network starts. You might try the symantec support site (though I don't hold
much hope. One of the reasons I no longer use their products) to see why
this might happen. The tray icon may just be the user's gui interface and
not the actual firewall starting up.

--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Richard in Va." wrote:
> Dave,
> Your MS links are helpful. I've read thru the first link which discusses
> how to set dependencies for services.
> "How to delay loading of specific services"
> Using this approach, I would make the network (DSL) service wait or
> "depend" on the NIS service "ISSVC".
> This would work I suppose just fine. So long as NIS is installed and
> configured to run at startup.
>
> I have not yet read thru the 2nd MS link you provided, will do so shortly.
>
> My reason for asking this to begin with is because when I boot and watch
> the system tray, I notice that the DSL network connection icon appears and
> blinks a few times. Then I see the Windows Security Center icon along with
> a warning that my system security is turned off. Then I see the NIS icon
> in the tray and after a moment, the Windows Security message goes away.
> The NIS icon is furthest from the clock, which I assume to be the last
> program or service to be loaded.
> (Programs or services that are providing a tray icon to view)
>
> Really don't know if there are any security issues here. I've just always
> wondered what nasty little treat I receive from the internet before NIS
> gets up and running.
>
> I have a system at work I use that has much the same setup, but using
> dialup. I've noticed that on several occasions that after a complete
> boot, when I connect to the internet I will get a message from NIS that I
> have just received a treat and that NIS has blocked it. And this is
> without any email or browser application open.
>
> Now that's scary!
>
> I'll read thru your 2nd link soon. But today I've taken the day off to do
> yard work and such.
> It's sunny and about 70deg here and the clock is ticking!
>
> Thanks for you help!
>
> Best regards,
> Richard in Va.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++

Richard in Va. wrote:
> Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
> startup at boot?
>
> I'm using WinXP Home w/SP2.
> Most of my startup applications startup via HKLM with 1 or 2 from HKCU.
>
> I use a DSL "always on" connection. At present, my network connection is
> established before my Norton Internet Security software starts up.
>
> Is there a way I can force Norton Internet Security (Anti-Virus) to startup
> first, especially before the DSL connection is established?
>
> If it has to be that all hardware drivers and software load before any
> add-on software. Is there a way to delay DSL communication for maybe 15-30
> seconds (at boot) to give Norton time to load?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Best regards,
> Richard in Va.
>
>
I know this does not directly answer your question but does not your DSL
router have a built in firewall - and if not then I suggest you get
yourself one that does.

Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:51:54 -0400 from Richard in Va. <reaton@aol.com>:
> Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
> startup at boot?

There is only one way: replace the individual links with a single
batch program or script that stats things in the order you want.

People will tell you all sorts of little tricks to control the start
order, but they're misinformed. See
<http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/25/45926.aspx> and
particularly Raymond Chen's comments therein.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"You find yourself amusing, Blackadder."
"I try not to fly in the face of public opinion."

yea... okay... sounds like maybe more trouble than it's worth.
So...
Would there be such a thing as starting the internet DSL network service at
first system idle.
If there is some sort of "system idle" flag, maybe I could use the flag to
initiate the network service.
Maybe via the "Runonce" key or something.
Surely all the startup apps including NIS and NSW would all be up and
running before the first system idle state.

Thanks for everybody's input here.
I originally thought it might be something simple as reordering the registry
keys to have NIS at the top of the list.
....guess not!

Best regards,
Richard in Va.
+++++++++++++++++++++
"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:51:54 -0400 from Richard in Va. <reaton@aol.com>:
>> Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
>> startup at boot?
>
> There is only one way: replace the individual links with a single
> batch program or script that stats things in the order you want.
>
> People will tell you all sorts of little tricks to control the start
> order, but they're misinformed. See
> <http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/25/45926.aspx> and
> particularly Raymond Chen's comments therein.
>
> --
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com/
> "You find yourself amusing, Blackadder."
> "I try not to fly in the face of public opinion."

Stan,
You could try a 3rd party program to open all your application programs. I
use Tech-Pro StartUp Manager http://www.tech-pro.net/startup.html
You have to remove all these programs from the registry entries and place
them in the StartUp folder as shortcuts.

StartUp Manager will then find them and move them to its own folder,
allowing you to change the order.

--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au

Stan Brown wrote:
> Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:51:54 -0400 from Richard in Va. <reaton@aol.com>:
>> Would anyone know how I can change the order in which programs "auto"
>> startup at boot?
>
> There is only one way: replace the individual links with a single
> batch program or script that stats things in the order you want.
>
> People will tell you all sorts of little tricks to control the start
> order, but they're misinformed. See
> <http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/25/45926.aspx> and
> particularly Raymond Chen's comments therein.
>
> --
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com/
> "You find yourself amusing, Blackadder."
> "I try not to fly in the face of public opinion."