Diskeeper is a much more accomplished Defrag than the basic MS offering.. I
seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper was in fact the
'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of it.. maybe somebody could
confirm this, one way or the other..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
news:OPsl0ZUDGHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my diskeeper.
>I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
> http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/arch...18/defrag.aspx
>
> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
> news:ejROLLUDGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Microsoft Defrag is not on my computer. When I run Diskeeper it gives me
>> an error that it cant run on this machine.
>>
>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23LEpfzODGHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Back when Windows 2000 was under development (shortly after the dinosaurs
became extinct) , Microsoft licensed some "older" technology from Executive
Software (now called Diskeeper Corporation) to use as the basis for the
built-in defragmenter in Windows 2000. That is why you see a lot of
similarities between the built-in defragmenter and Diskeeper.

With Windows XP, the built-in defragmenter development was strickly
Microsoft - even though if you click on Help/About, it still references
Executive Software. Kind of like if you run IE and click on Help/About and
it mentions NCSA Mosaic.

The built-in defragmenter and the full version of Diskeeper are NOT the same
thing. The full version of Diskeeper is better in certain ways than the
built-in defragmenter - including network/remote management ability and
scheduling. However, they still share many of the same limitations -
multi-pass, high free space requirement, in-effective free space
consolidation, etc...

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.




"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ukCGZwUDGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Diskeeper is a much more accomplished Defrag than the basic MS offering..
I
> seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper was in fact the
> 'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of it.. maybe somebody
could
> confirm this, one way or the other..
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
> news:OPsl0ZUDGHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my
diskeeper.
> >I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
> > http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/arch...18/defrag.aspx
> >
> > "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
> > news:ejROLLUDGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> Microsoft Defrag is not on my computer. When I run Diskeeper it gives
me
> >> an error that it cant run on this machine.
> >>
> >> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%23LEpfzODGHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>>I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Greg

Please note that I never said that they were the same thing, but there is no
question that Diskeeper effectively prevents XP Defrag from appearing.. that
is not necessarily a bad thhing..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <ghayesntloader@raxco.com> wrote in message
news:%23WWr$HXDGHA.628@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Back when Windows 2000 was under development (shortly after the dinosaurs
> became extinct) , Microsoft licensed some "older" technology from
> Executive
> Software (now called Diskeeper Corporation) to use as the basis for the
> built-in defragmenter in Windows 2000. That is why you see a lot of
> similarities between the built-in defragmenter and Diskeeper.
>
> With Windows XP, the built-in defragmenter development was strickly
> Microsoft - even though if you click on Help/About, it still references
> Executive Software. Kind of like if you run IE and click on Help/About
> and
> it mentions NCSA Mosaic.
>
> The built-in defragmenter and the full version of Diskeeper are NOT the
> same
> thing. The full version of Diskeeper is better in certain ways than the
> built-in defragmenter - including network/remote management ability and
> scheduling. However, they still share many of the same limitations -
> multi-pass, high free space requirement, in-effective free space
> consolidation, etc...
>
> - Greg/Raxco Software
> Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
>
> Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
> commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
> department.
>
> Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ukCGZwUDGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Diskeeper is a much more accomplished Defrag than the basic MS offering..
> I
>> seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper was in fact the
>> 'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of it.. maybe somebody
> could
>> confirm this, one way or the other..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>> news:OPsl0ZUDGHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my
> diskeeper.
>> >I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
>> > http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/arch...18/defrag.aspx
>> >
>> > "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ejROLLUDGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> >> Microsoft Defrag is not on my computer. When I run Diskeeper it gives
> me
>> >> an error that it cant run on this machine.
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:%23LEpfzODGHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >>>I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:

> Greg
>
> Please note that I never said that they were the same thing, but
> there is no question that Diskeeper effectively prevents XP Defrag
> from appearing.. that is not necessarily a bad thhing..


I don't agree. As much as I think Diskkeeper, or any third-party defrag
program, is better than the built-in one, I think what Diskkeeper does *is*
a bad thing. It's fine for an installation of a program to make itself
available as a choice, but I don't think any third-party program should take
away the option of running the built-in Windows program.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup



> "Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <ghayesntloader@raxco.com> wrote in
> message news:%23WWr$HXDGHA.628@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Back when Windows 2000 was under development (shortly after the
>> dinosaurs became extinct) , Microsoft licensed some "older"
>> technology from Executive
>> Software (now called Diskeeper Corporation) to use as the basis for
>> the built-in defragmenter in Windows 2000. That is why you see a
>> lot of similarities between the built-in defragmenter and Diskeeper.
>>
>> With Windows XP, the built-in defragmenter development was strickly
>> Microsoft - even though if you click on Help/About, it still
>> references Executive Software. Kind of like if you run IE and click
>> on Help/About and
>> it mentions NCSA Mosaic.
>>
>> The built-in defragmenter and the full version of Diskeeper are NOT
>> the same
>> thing. The full version of Diskeeper is better in certain ways than
>> the built-in defragmenter - including network/remote management
>> ability and scheduling. However, they still share many of the same
>> limitations - multi-pass, high free space requirement, in-effective
>> free space consolidation, etc...
>>
>> - Greg/Raxco Software
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
>>
>> Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
>> commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
>> department.
>>
>> Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:ukCGZwUDGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> Diskeeper is a much more accomplished Defrag than the basic MS
>>> offering.. I seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper
>>> was in fact the 'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of
>>> it.. maybe somebody could confirm this, one way or the other..
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hall
>>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>>
>>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OPsl0ZUDGHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my
>>>> diskeeper. I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
>>>> http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/arch...18/defrag.aspx
>>>>
>>>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ejROLLUDGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Microsoft Defrag is not on my computer. When I run Diskeeper it
>>>>> gives me an error that it cant run on this machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23LEpfzODGHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?

Ken

It may well be possible to un-install Diskeeper and have XP Defrag return to
normal.. I just haven't tried it..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:eTJTsIaDGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
>
>> Greg
>>
>> Please note that I never said that they were the same thing, but
>> there is no question that Diskeeper effectively prevents XP Defrag
>> from appearing.. that is not necessarily a bad thhing..
>
>
> I don't agree. As much as I think Diskkeeper, or any third-party defrag
> program, is better than the built-in one, I think what Diskkeeper does
> *is* a bad thing. It's fine for an installation of a program to make
> itself available as a choice, but I don't think any third-party program
> should take away the option of running the built-in Windows program.
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>
>> "Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <ghayesntloader@raxco.com> wrote in
>> message news:%23WWr$HXDGHA.628@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Back when Windows 2000 was under development (shortly after the
>>> dinosaurs became extinct) , Microsoft licensed some "older"
>>> technology from Executive
>>> Software (now called Diskeeper Corporation) to use as the basis for
>>> the built-in defragmenter in Windows 2000. That is why you see a
>>> lot of similarities between the built-in defragmenter and Diskeeper.
>>>
>>> With Windows XP, the built-in defragmenter development was strickly
>>> Microsoft - even though if you click on Help/About, it still
>>> references Executive Software. Kind of like if you run IE and click
>>> on Help/About and
>>> it mentions NCSA Mosaic.
>>>
>>> The built-in defragmenter and the full version of Diskeeper are NOT
>>> the same
>>> thing. The full version of Diskeeper is better in certain ways than
>>> the built-in defragmenter - including network/remote management
>>> ability and scheduling. However, they still share many of the same
>>> limitations - multi-pass, high free space requirement, in-effective
>>> free space consolidation, etc...
>>>
>>> - Greg/Raxco Software
>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
>>> commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
>>> department.
>>>
>>> Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:ukCGZwUDGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> Diskeeper is a much more accomplished Defrag than the basic MS
>>>> offering.. I seem to remember somebody telling me that Diskeeper
>>>> was in fact the 'parent', that MS Defrag is a cut down version of
>>>> it.. maybe somebody could confirm this, one way or the other..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Hall
>>>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OPsl0ZUDGHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I did a search and did what this site said to do and it fixed my
>>>>> diskeeper. I still would rather have the plain Microsoft defrfag.
>>>>> http://www.andreasroom.com/blog/arch...18/defrag.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ejROLLUDGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Microsoft Defrag is not on my computer. When I run Diskeeper it
>>>>>> gives me an error that it cant run on this machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Doug" <doug57@www.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23LEpfzODGHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> I have diskkeeper. How can I get Microsoft defrag?
>
>

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> It's fine for an installation of a
> program to make itself available as a choice, but I don't think any
> third-party program should take away the option of running the
> built-in Windows program.

Exactly the same thing happens with Process Explorer from
www.sysinternals.com

Once you install it, it behaves in exactly the same way as Task Manager. For
example, Ctrl-Alt-Del invokes Process Explorers, not Task Manager.

But that's fine. It was a deliberate choice to install it, so that's what
one would expect.

Task Manager has not been deleted from the system. It's just that you have
to know where it is in order to invoke it. In fact, I have forgotten where
it is - I would have to search for it. Presumably it is somewhere like
C:\Windows\System32
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au

If the option "Replace Task Manager" is enabled in Process Explorer options,
then it attaches to Task Manager as a debugger. This means that Process
Explorer would start whenever you use the CTRL+ALT+DEL sequence. The result
would be the same even if you launch taskmgr.exe directly from the System32
folder.

http://geekswithblogs.net/ssimakov/a.../22/26930.aspx

BTW, the "Replace Task Manager" option is not enabled by default.

--
Ramesh, Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Shell/User

Windows XP Troubleshooting
http://www.winhelponline.com


"Trevor L." <tandcl@homemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:uuo3VTaDGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> It's fine for an installation of a
> program to make itself available as a choice, but I don't think any
> third-party program should take away the option of running the
> built-in Windows program.

Exactly the same thing happens with Process Explorer from
www.sysinternals.com

Once you install it, it behaves in exactly the same way as Task Manager. For
example, Ctrl-Alt-Del invokes Process Explorers, not Task Manager.

But that's fine. It was a deliberate choice to install it, so that's what
one would expect.

Task Manager has not been deleted from the system. It's just that you have
to know where it is in order to invoke it. In fact, I have forgotten where
it is - I would have to search for it. Presumably it is somewhere like
C:\Windows\System32
--
Cheers,
Trevor L.
Website: http://tandcl.homemail.com.au