From: "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com>

| Richard;
| At the time, there is nothing that meets your needs.
| There are products that claim to have it all but it is still best to use two
| or more spyware detectors and even occasionally get an online virus scan as
| a second opinion.
|
| Computer technology may never get to the state you want.
| Until there is, you will not be able to "install it and forget it,"
|

Well stated !!

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:uwgCM7hEGHA.472@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> OH...FOR GOODNESS DAMNED SAKE !!!
>
> ...surely there is a SINGLE ...all singing / all dancing - "install it
> and forget it," ...REALLY, REALLY GOOD
> ...firewall / anti spy/scum/mal/crap-ware application out there that can
> do everything for me automatically,
>
> ....without having to read through HUMUNGOUS volumes of stuff like :-
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>
> ...don't get me wrong - I'm immesely grateful for the untiring efforts
> of a large number of decent people out there like
> David H Lipman, ...and the above hyperlinked site etc.
>
> ...but I'd like to use my PC for other things , now and again ! :-)
> ....without having to spend inordinately huge amounts of time fiddling
> and tweaking and spyware scanning etc.
>
> regards, Richard

The biggest cause of malware/virus infections is the person using the
computer not the software/hardware they have.

Security is a process not a piece of hardware or software. If you learn
the security features of your browser/OS and use proper security
techniques such as not opening unsolicted attachments, keeping your
software patched and up to date and avoiding malicous web sites you will
find that you don't need to spend time cleaning up malware/viruses.

FWIW I run my system without a firewall on a high speed connection or a
real time virus scanner and have yet to have a security incident in the
MANY years I have run this way. I do regular scans for spyware and viruses
and have yet to have found even a malicious cookie. I don't recommend you
run this way with a shared computer, if you have kids, or can't be
bothered to practice safe hex.

Zonelabs "Truevector" service caused me a big headache a while ago, it
caused an installed application to malfunction, can't remember which one -
possibly Adobe Photoshop or it could have been Micrografix ....just came
back to me ....it was Dreamweaver 4, anyway after a hunt round the web I
found other people having the same trouble so uninstalled Zonealarm.
Dreamweaver was okay after that, I bought a newer version of Dreamweaver
but, could never find out how to configure it - so gave up and went back to
DW4

regards, Richard


"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:eT6NwdiEGHA.3728@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> From: "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
>
>
> | For every reviewer than pans it, you'll find another who likes it. Take
> a
> | look at www.pcmag.com, and see what their review said. Also, you might
> | consider the ZoneAlarm suite (www.zonelabs.com). I use ZoneAlarm Pro
> (the
> | firewall/spyware thing), and I've been happy with it. No idea how the
> | antivirus aspect works in the larger suite.
> |
>
> Zone Labs bundles CA eTrust as does CA bundle Zone Alarm with eTrust.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>

RJK wrote:

> OH...FOR GOODNESS DAMNED SAKE !!!
>
> ...surely there is a SINGLE ...all singing / all dancing - "install
> it and forget it," ...REALLY, REALLY GOOD
> ...firewall / anti spy/scum/mal/crap-ware application out there that
> can do everything for me automatically,



It would be nice if there were. But unfortunately, it doesn't exist.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

"Fuzzy Logic" <bob@arc.ab.caREMOVETHIS> wrote in message
news:Xns974276FC98CE9bobarcabca@207.46.248.16...
> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:uwgCM7hEGHA.472@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>
>> OH...FOR GOODNESS DAMNED SAKE !!!
>>
>> ...surely there is a SINGLE ...all singing / all dancing - "install it
>> and forget it," ...REALLY, REALLY GOOD
>> ...firewall / anti spy/scum/mal/crap-ware application out there that can
>> do everything for me automatically,
>>
>> ....without having to read through HUMUNGOUS volumes of stuff like :-
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...moving_Malware
>>
>> ...don't get me wrong - I'm immesely grateful for the untiring efforts
>> of a large number of decent people out there like
>> David H Lipman, ...and the above hyperlinked site etc.
>>
>> ...but I'd like to use my PC for other things , now and again ! :-)
>> ....without having to spend inordinately huge amounts of time fiddling
>> and tweaking and spyware scanning etc.
>>
>> regards, Richard
>
> The biggest cause of malware/virus infections is the person using the
> computer not the software/hardware they have.
>
> Security is a process not a piece of hardware or software. If you learn
> the security features of your browser/OS and use proper security
> techniques such as not opening unsolicted attachments, keeping your
> software patched and up to date and avoiding malicous web sites you will
> find that you don't need to spend time cleaning up malware/viruses.
>
> FWIW I run my system without a firewall on a high speed connection or a
> real time virus scanner and have yet to have a security incident in the
> MANY years I have run this way. I do regular scans for spyware and viruses
> and have yet to have found even a malicious cookie. I don't recommend you
> run this way with a shared computer, if you have kids, or can't be
> bothered to practice safe hex.

You're very lucky, then. Last spring, I did a reformat/reinstall (XP Pro)
for a friend. The install finished. I walked away for lunch. Came back
later, started IE, and got popup windows all over the place. I'll avoid the
middle of the story, but I found the box was infected with some sort of
crap, and I hadn't visited ANY web sites yet. No installed software other
than XP.

As hard as vendors work to make software more Secure - there is a
whole group of Hackers/Crackers/Thief's working to exploit every
line of code to make a buck or cause mischief. Security software &
personal effort is the hidden "Software-Tax" we all pay to use the
Internet.

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:O0WjKBkEGHA.3100@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> RJK wrote:
>
>> OH...FOR GOODNESS DAMNED SAKE !!!
>>
>> ...surely there is a SINGLE ...all singing / all dancing - "install
>> it and forget it," ...REALLY, REALLY GOOD
>> ...firewall / anti spy/scum/mal/crap-ware application out there that
>> can do everything for me automatically,
>
>
>
> It would be nice if there were. But unfortunately, it doesn't exist.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>

From: "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com>


|
| You're very lucky, then. Last spring, I did a reformat/reinstall (XP Pro)
| for a friend. The install finished. I walked away for lunch. Came back
| later, started IE, and got popup windows all over the place. I'll avoid the
| middle of the story, but I found the box was infected with some sort of
| crap, and I hadn't visited ANY web sites yet. No installed software other
| than XP.
|

But you didn't install WinXP SP2 or use a FireWall and an internet worm must have installed
itself throuough a vulnerability. Maybe you enabled File and Print Shareing and failed to
properly secure the platform.

Now if you did this behind a Cable/DSL, NAT, Router then its simplistic FireWall
capabilities could have mitigated the malware infection.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

You also did not have a firewall But, you had the computer connected to the
internet probably through DSL or cable.

NEVER physically connect to the network without a firewall.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Hpgvf.1243$qg.890@news02.roc.ny...
> You're very lucky, then. Last spring, I did a reformat/reinstall (XP Pro)
> for a friend. The install finished. I walked away for lunch. Came back
> later, started IE, and got popup windows all over the place. I'll avoid
> the middle of the story, but I found the box was infected with some sort
> of crap, and I hadn't visited ANY web sites yet. No installed software
> other than XP.

Exactly right. Never again. I hadn't done a windows update yet, so it was XP
Pro, "the old way", before modification.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:uaToDOkEGHA.916@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> You also did not have a firewall But, you had the computer connected to
> the internet probably through DSL or cable.
>
> NEVER physically connect to the network without a firewall.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Hpgvf.1243$qg.890@news02.roc.ny...
>> You're very lucky, then. Last spring, I did a reformat/reinstall (XP Pro)
>> for a friend. The install finished. I walked away for lunch. Came back
>> later, started IE, and got popup windows all over the place. I'll avoid
>> the middle of the story, but I found the box was infected with some sort
>> of crap, and I hadn't visited ANY web sites yet. No installed software
>> other than XP.
>
>

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:uzMamLkEGHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> From: "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com>
>
>
> |
> | You're very lucky, then. Last spring, I did a reformat/reinstall (XP
> Pro)
> | for a friend. The install finished. I walked away for lunch. Came back
> | later, started IE, and got popup windows all over the place. I'll avoid
> the
> | middle of the story, but I found the box was infected with some sort of
> | crap, and I hadn't visited ANY web sites yet. No installed software
> other
> | than XP.
> |
>
> But you didn't install WinXP SP2 or use a FireWall and an internet worm
> must have installed
> itself throuough a vulnerability. Maybe you enabled File and Print
> Shareing and failed to
> properly secure the platform.
>
> Now if you did this behind a Cable/DSL, NAT, Router then its simplistic
> FireWall
> capabilities could have mitigated the malware infection.

Ah ha....you didn't say you had a router. :-) And yes, none of the good
stuff had been installed or tweaked yet on the machine in question.