Thank you Greg. I was hoping someone else would jump in to let Alias know
that you don't have to turn off your A/V to run a defrag. My biggest
concern was the fact that he/she was saying it was 'not bright' to run a
defrag with your A/V turned on.

IMO turning your A/V off to run a defrag leaves your system vulnerable
during that time and isn't worth the risk with the number of viruses out
there today.

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were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.


"Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <ghayesntloader@raxco.com> wrote in message
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> Technically, there is no need to disable A/V prior to running a defrag.
> Real time protection that A/V software does runs as a file system filter -
> which means it does exactly that - filtering disk read/writes. When the
> file system actually performs the file "move" when defragmenting, it is
> responsible for doing all of the low level I/O synchronization necessary -
> including working with any file system filters that may be running (A/V,
> GoBack, other real time replication software).
>
> Some A/V can be configured to filter just reads, just writes, or both.
> Depending on how effeciently written the file system filter is, the filter
> may or may not be capable of quickly processing the disk read/writes
> generated by defragmenting. If the filter is in-effeciently written - it
> can drastically slow things down. If the filter is effeciently written,
> you
> won't notice much of anything.
>
> - Greg/Raxco Software
> Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
>
> Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
> commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
> department.
>
> Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:uB70OSxCGHA.2704@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Mike Brearley wrote:
>>
>> > "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
>> > news:ueOhSuwCGHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> >>Chaplain Doug wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Windows XP. How can I set my system to automatically do a disk
>> >>>defragmentation each day? I use the built-in Windows defrag utility
>> >>>rather than a third party program. Thanks for the help.
>> >>
>> >>Considering that you should disable your anti virus' auto scan before
>> >>doing a defrag, scheduling is not exactly bright.
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Alias
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I defrag all the time without disabling my virus scan.
>>
>> Try it without it and see if it doesn't do the job faster. And as far as
>> whether you should or should not, it's your computer, do what you want.
>> I know it's better to defrag with the AV disabled so I do it that way.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
>> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
>
>

Mike Brearley wrote:

> Thank you Greg. I was hoping someone else would jump in to let Alias know
> that you don't have to turn off your A/V to run a defrag. My biggest
> concern was the fact that he/she was saying it was 'not bright' to run a
> defrag with your A/V turned on.

It isn't. Greg's wrong.

> IMO turning your A/V off to run a defrag leaves your system vulnerable
> during that time and isn't worth the risk with the number of viruses out
> there today.
>

Not true. If you have a proper firewall, viruses cannot just pop in and
say hello. I have turned off my AV for updates, installing all programs,
defragging and running anti malware programs. I have never had a virus
since I went online in 97.

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Not everyone has a properly setup firewall... so, STOP giving out
potentially harmful advice! Running defrag, updates and installing programs
with A/V turned on has never caused me and a million other poeple out there
ANY problems.

For users that really know what they are doing, sure, you can do what you
say, but for the majority of users and readers of these news groups, doing
what you are suggesting could be very harmful.

--
Posted 'as is'. If there are any spelling and/or grammar mistakes, they
were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.


"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Brearley wrote:
>
>> Thank you Greg. I was hoping someone else would jump in to let Alias
>> know that you don't have to turn off your A/V to run a defrag. My
>> biggest concern was the fact that he/she was saying it was 'not bright'
>> to run a defrag with your A/V turned on.
>
> It isn't. Greg's wrong.
>
>> IMO turning your A/V off to run a defrag leaves your system vulnerable
>> during that time and isn't worth the risk with the number of viruses out
>> there today.
>>
>
> Not true. If you have a proper firewall, viruses cannot just pop in and
> say hello. I have turned off my AV for updates, installing all programs,
> defragging and running anti malware programs. I have never had a virus
> since I went online in 97.
>
> --
> Alias
>
> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

Mike Brearley wrote:
> Not everyone has a properly setup firewall...

Which is dangerous. The only time disabling your AV is dangerous is when
you are doing something that could possibly incur a virus, etc. If all
you're doing is defragging, there is no need for the AV auto scan to be
on unless you like your AV scanning your defrag process, something I can
do without.

> so, STOP giving out
> potentially harmful advice!

I'm not. You are uninformed and telling people they don't need a
properly configured firewall *is* harmful advice.

> Running defrag, updates and installing programs
> with A/V turned on has never caused me and a million other poeple out there
> ANY problems.

False but, hey, it's your machine, do what you want. I will not,
however, condone your uninformed advice.

>
> For users that really know what they are doing, sure, you can do what you
> say, but for the majority of users and readers of these news groups, doing
> what you are suggesting could be very harmful.
>

Turn off your firewall for a day or two and leave your AV on and get
back to me if you can.
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"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote
> I'm not. You are uninformed and telling people they don't need a properly
> configured firewall *is* harmful advice.

Nowhere did I say that people shouldn't have a properly configured firewall.
Stop reading into my posts what's not there. A properly configured firewall
is just as important as a properly configured virus scanner.

> Turn off your firewall for a day or two and leave your AV on and get back
> to me if you can.

Nowhere did I say it was safe to run without a firewall. Stop reading into
my posts what's not there.

> I will not, however, condone your uninformed advice.

Where did I give out uninformed advice? If you think it's uninformed to
tell people that it's ok to install programs, run a defrag or install
windows updates without disabling their antivirus scanner then you best
educate yourself a little more.

Tell me exactly what harm could your A/V scanner cause if it's running when
installing a program, running a defrag or installing updates? Think hard
about this one, because taking an extra few seconds or even minutes does not
make it harmful and so far the only thing you said it does is take longer.

--
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were a direct result of my fingers and brain not being synchronized or my
lack of caffeine.

"Mike Brearley" <Mike_BrearleyDONTDOIT@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote
>> I'm not. You are uninformed and telling people they don't need a properly
>> configured firewall *is* harmful advice.
>
> Nowhere did I say that people shouldn't have a properly configured
> firewall. Stop reading into my posts what's not there. A properly
> configured firewall is just as important as a properly configured virus
> scanner.
>
>> Turn off your firewall for a day or two and leave your AV on and get back
>> to me if you can.
>
> Nowhere did I say it was safe to run without a firewall. Stop reading
> into my posts what's not there.
>
>> I will not, however, condone your uninformed advice.
>
> Where did I give out uninformed advice? If you think it's uninformed to
> tell people that it's ok to install programs, run a defrag or install
> windows updates without disabling their antivirus scanner then you best
> educate yourself a little more.
>
> Tell me exactly what harm could your A/V scanner cause if it's running
> when installing a program, running a defrag or installing updates? Think
> hard about this one, because taking an extra few seconds or even minutes
> does not make it harmful and so far the only thing you said it does is
> take longer.
>

Mike, FWIW, I've never turned off my AV for defrag or any/all updates
including SP1 and SP2. My AV is never turned off.

When running Win95, Win98, WinME (I don't remember having an AV before
WIN95, IIRC Win3.1had an AV built in) and using defrag and scandisk it was
often suggested to turn off AV first but I never did.

How am I "wrong"?

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

"Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Brearley wrote:
>
> > Thank you Greg. I was hoping someone else would jump in to let Alias
know
> > that you don't have to turn off your A/V to run a defrag. My biggest
> > concern was the fact that he/she was saying it was 'not bright' to run a
> > defrag with your A/V turned on.
>
> It isn't. Greg's wrong.
>
> > IMO turning your A/V off to run a defrag leaves your system vulnerable
> > during that time and isn't worth the risk with the number of viruses out
> > there today.
> >
>
> Not true. If you have a proper firewall, viruses cannot just pop in and
> say hello. I have turned off my AV for updates, installing all programs,
> defragging and running anti malware programs. I have never had a virus
> since I went online in 97.
>
> --
> Alias
>
> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

Greg Hayes/Raxco Software wrote:

> How am I "wrong"?
>
> - Greg/Raxco Software

The AV interferes with the defrag, of course. That's why it defrags more
slowly with it on compared to when it's off.
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>
> "Alias" <aka@[notme]maskedandanonymous.org> wrote in message
> news:eUAu9tIDGHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>>Mike Brearley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thank you Greg. I was hoping someone else would jump in to let Alias
>
> know
>
>>>that you don't have to turn off your A/V to run a defrag. My biggest
>>>concern was the fact that he/she was saying it was 'not bright' to run a
>>>defrag with your A/V turned on.
>>
>>It isn't. Greg's wrong.
>>
>>
>>>IMO turning your A/V off to run a defrag leaves your system vulnerable
>>>during that time and isn't worth the risk with the number of viruses out
>>>there today.
>>>
>>
>>Not true. If you have a proper firewall, viruses cannot just pop in and
>>say hello. I have turned off my AV for updates, installing all programs,
>>defragging and running anti malware programs. I have never had a virus
>>since I went online in 97.
>>
>>--
>>Alias
>>
>>Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
>>Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
>
>
>