Sorry about the reply I will redirect to the group.

--
Onward through the fog


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> Shumandu wrote:
>
> > In the past I have found my anti spyware program ZeroSpyware to be
> > thorough in protecting against and detecting spyware.
>
>
> I know anothing about the particular product you use, but note that Eric
> Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products states
>
> "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the best-performing
> anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one quarter of the
> "critical" files and Registry entries"
>
> See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
>
>
> > I will run
> > some of the other spyware detection programs you suggested and post
> > the HijackThis log if neccessary. I am going to try a bios update
> > also.
>
>
> Be very careful. Although a BIOS upgrade normally goes well, it is not
> without danger. If something goes wrong while the upgrade is an progress
> (for example, a lapse in power) you can be left with no BIOS at all, and an
> unbootable computer. I think many BIOS upgrades are done when they shouldn't
> be.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>
>
> >> 1. Uninstall SP2 via Add/Remove Programs and reboot.
> >>
> >> 2. Run a thorough check for hijackware, including posting your
> >> HijackThis log to an appropriate forum.
> >>
> >> Check for Hijackware
> >> http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
> >> http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
> >> http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
> >> http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/Darnit.htm
> >> http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
> >> http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> When all else fails, HijackThis
> >> (http://aumha.net/downloads/hijackthis.zip) is the preferred tool to
> >> use. It will help you to both identify and remove any
> >> hijackware/spyware.
> >>
> >> **Post your HijackThis log to http://forums.spywareinfo.com/,
> >> http://castlecops.com/forum67.html,
> >> http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 or other appropriate forum for
> >> expert analysis, not here.**
> >>
> >> 3. Do not install SP2 until an expert gives your HijackThis log a
> >> clean bill of health.
> >>
> >> Also see:
> >>
> >> What to Know Before Downloading/Installing SP2
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx
> >>
> >> Installing SP2 Step-by-Step
> >>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];xpsp2insthowto
> >>
> >> Troubleshooting Your Installation
> >>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];xpsp2insttshoot
> >>
> >> WinXP SP2 FAQ: What to do after installing SP2
> >>
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default...xpsp2installed
> >>
> >> Service Pack (any) Installation Checklist (MVP Jupiter Jones)
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
> >>
> >> WinXP SP2-specific Page (MVP Jupiter Jones)
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
> >>
> >> The hard disk space requirements for Windows XP Service Pack 2
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=837783
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), Aumha.org VSOP,
> >> DTS-L.org
> >>
> >> Shumandu wrote:
> >>> Even though I'm still not convinced of the value, after much study
> >>> and prep I decided to install SP2. I followed all suggestions for a
> >>> successful install. Downloaded all current updates to SP1, disabled
> >>> McAfee virus and firewall, and ZeroSpyware spyware programs even
> >>> removed them from startup after full clean scans, removed all
> >>> virtual drives i.e. Game Drive, I am the administrator.
> >>> I used the install disc and after indicating a successful install I
> >>> restarted the system.
> >>> I then got the "Sorry Windows was unable to start" screen. I let
> >>> it try to restart after count down but just got the same screen. I
> >>> then started in safe mode and was able to access Windows. I
> >>> removed SP2 and restored to SP1. I then tried to update to SP2 via
> >>> Windows update site with the same results. What am I missing?
> >>> I am running SATA Raid 0, and have a gig of memory even though
> >>> Msinfo32 shows only 512 MB, the system is 2 year old assembled by
> >>> ABS Computers. Here is my system info as per, Msinfo32:
> >>> System Information report written at: 01/20/05 23:02:53
> >>> System Name: FOGBUSTER
> >>> [System Summary (C:\DOCUME~1\BOBSHU~1\MYDOCU~1\SYSTEM~1.NFO)]
> >>>
> >>> Item Value
> >>> OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
> >>> Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
> >>> OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
> >>> System Name FOGBUSTER
> >>> System Manufacturer Magnell
> >>> System Model AWRDACPI
> >>> System Type X86-based PC
> >>> Processor x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 8 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz
> >>> BIOS Version/Date Award Software International, Inc. F11, 1/16/2004
> >>> SMBIOS Version 2.3
> >>> Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
> >>> System Directory C:\WINDOWS\System32
> >>> Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
> >>> Locale United States
> >>> Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.1106
> >>> (xpsp1.020828-1920)" User Name FOGBUSTER\Bob Shumaker
> >>> Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
> >>> Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB
> >>> Available Physical Memory 539.01 MB
> >>> Total Virtual Memory 3.41 GB
> >>> Available Virtual Memory 2.63 GB
> >>> Page File Space 2.41 GB
> >>> Page File C:\pagefile.sys
>
>
>

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>
> > In the past I have found my anti spyware program ZeroSpyware to be
> > thorough in protecting against and detecting spyware.
>
> I know anothing about the particular product you use, but note that Eric
> Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products states
>
> "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the best-performing
> anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one quarter of the
> "critical" files and Registry entries"
>
> See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm

The same goes for anti-virus/anti-trojan apps. YET again, best bet is
NOT install Spyware in the first place. Most apps w/spyware tell you in
advance that they will install "spyware", but most users NEVER read,
they just click and go.


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=?Utf-8?B?U2h1bWFuZHU=?= wrote:
>
> I agree, my moto is if it's not broke don't fix it. One reason I still
> don't have SP2 on my system. The BIOS upgrade is very straight forward

If you have a new MS XP2 CD that of course comes w/SP2, your pc will
work very well with a fresh install. In fact, my main beta tester, ie my
son who can screw up anything, has not screwed up a fresh install of XP2
yet

Like any previous MS-OS, their second release is usually quite nice.

eg.

dos 6.22
win95B
win98SE
XP2


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Plato wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I have found my anti spyware program ZeroSpyware to be
>>> thorough in protecting against and detecting spyware.
>>
>> I know anothing about the particular product you use, but note that
>> Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products
>> states
>>
>> "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
>> best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
>> quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries"
>>
>> See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
>
> The same goes for anti-virus/anti-trojan apps.


I don't think so at all. I doubt if there is *any* anti-virus application
which does anywhere near as badly as catching only 75% of the
viruses/trojans.



> YET again, best bet is
> NOT install Spyware in the first place.


Despite the perverse way you normally tell posters here this, I completely
agree. The point, which I think you never make clearly, is that prevention
is much better than cure.


> Most apps w/spyware tell you
> in advance that they will install "spyware", but most users NEVER
> read, they just click and go.


True, but lots of malware doesn't tell you they are going to install
themselves. You need to not install malware by knowing enouugh to be
cognizant of the threats, and by running appropriate software to prevent
installation, not by trying to fix the problem after the fact.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Ken & Plato
Thanks for the old tune on Spyware, virus, trojans blahh blahh blahh.
My computer is way more junk free than this thread.
I do appreciate your response but not one person here has posted anything
in the least bit helpful. I'm not even sure any of you read my original post?
shumandu-you don't
--
Onward through the fog


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> Plato wrote:
>
> > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> >>
> >>> In the past I have found my anti spyware program ZeroSpyware to be
> >>> thorough in protecting against and detecting spyware.
> >>
> >> I know anothing about the particular product you use, but note that
> >> Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products
> >> states
> >>
> >> "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
> >> best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
> >> quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries"
> >>
> >> See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
> >
> > The same goes for anti-virus/anti-trojan apps.
>
>
> I don't think so at all. I doubt if there is *any* anti-virus application
> which does anywhere near as badly as catching only 75% of the
> viruses/trojans.
>
>
>
> > YET again, best bet is
> > NOT install Spyware in the first place.
>
>
> Despite the perverse way you normally tell posters here this, I completely
> agree. The point, which I think you never make clearly, is that prevention
> is much better than cure.
>
>
> > Most apps w/spyware tell you
> > in advance that they will install "spyware", but most users NEVER
> > read, they just click and go.
>
>
> True, but lots of malware doesn't tell you they are going to install
> themselves. You need to not install malware by knowing enouugh to be
> cognizant of the threats, and by running appropriate software to prevent
> installation, not by trying to fix the problem after the fact.
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>

If your computer is "junk free", then either you have a hardware
incompatibility, you missed something or something probably to remain
unknown happened.
No one may never know and that may be why you have not been given a specific
answer.

Find another hard drive and clean install Windows followed by SP-2.
If you have the same problem, you have a hardware problem.
If there is no problem, you have a software issue with your original
installation.
More than likely there is an unknown problem with your computer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Shumandu" <Shumandu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B90E895F-586F-45F2-BFBD-045240BA9BD1@microsoft.com...
> Ken & Plato
> Thanks for the old tune on Spyware, virus, trojans blahh blahh blahh.
> My computer is way more junk free than this thread.
> I do appreciate your response but not one person here has posted anything
> in the least bit helpful. I'm not even sure any of you read my original
> post?
> shumandu-you don't
> --
> Onward through the fog

There are a plethora of hardware and software issues that could be
causing this behavior. However I would slipstream the __correct__
copy of XP to SP2, then do a repair (in place upgrade).

Shumandu wrote:
> Thanks but followed every one of those tips even disconnected all
> periperals. I did not update BIOS but was told by manufacturer that
> it would not be neccessary. She still will not SP2 me.
>
>> =?Utf-8?B?U2h1bWFuZHU=?= wrote:
>>>
>>> Even though I'm still not convinced of the value, after much study
>>> and prep I decided to install SP2. I followed all suggestions for
>>> a successful install.
>>
>> XP2 is totally recommended over XP original.
>>
>> XP2 install tips:
>>
>> http://www.bootdisk.com/xptop20.htm#1

=?Utf-8?B?U2h1bWFuZHU=?= wrote:
>
> Ken & Plato
> Thanks for the old tune on Spyware, virus, trojans blahh blahh blahh.
> My computer is way more junk free than this thread.
> I do appreciate your response but not one person here has posted anything
> in the least bit helpful. I'm not even sure any of you read my original post?
> shumandu-you don't

Seems you are new to USEnet. IT's a free thing. Often a post is just a
starting point for other posts which may, or may not be related to your
inquiry. Perfectly natural.



--
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I know spyware is an issue but people tend to blame it for eveything that
goes wrong on an OS and thier divorces and WMD's too. I have scanned with
four different spyware tools. I do not have spyware on my system, if I do
it's hidden so well it deserves to stay there. What other possible issues
can cause the "Sorry for the inconvienience but Windows can not start because
this upgrade sucks" message.
Onward through the fog


"Shumandu" wrote:

> Even though I'm still not convinced of the value, after much study and prep I
> decided to install SP2. I followed all suggestions for a successful install.
> Downloaded all current updates to SP1, disabled McAfee virus and firewall,
> and ZeroSpyware spyware programs even removed them from startup after full
> clean scans, removed all virtual drives i.e. Game Drive, I am the
> administrator.
> I used the install disc and after indicating a successful install I
> restarted the system.
> I then got the "Sorry Windows was unable to start" screen. I let it try to
> restart after count down but just got the same screen. I then started in
> safe mode and was able to access Windows. I removed SP2 and restored to
> SP1. I then tried to update to SP2 via Windows update site with the same
> results. What am I missing?
> I am running SATA Raid 0, and have a gig of memory even though Msinfo32
> shows only 512 MB, the system is 2 year old assembled by ABS Computers.
> Here is my system info as per, Msinfo32:
> System Information report written at: 01/20/05 23:02:53
> System Name: FOGBUSTER
> [System Summary (C:\DOCUME~1\BOBSHU~1\MYDOCU~1\SYSTEM~1.NFO)]
>
> Item Value
> OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
> Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
> OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
> System Name FOGBUSTER
> System Manufacturer Magnell
> System Model AWRDACPI
> System Type X86-based PC
> Processor x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 8 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz
> BIOS Version/Date Award Software International, Inc. F11, 1/16/2004
> SMBIOS Version 2.3
> Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
> System Directory C:\WINDOWS\System32
> Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
> Locale United States
> Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920)"
> User Name FOGBUSTER\Bob Shumaker
> Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
> Total Physical Memory 512.00 MB
> Available Physical Memory 539.01 MB
> Total Virtual Memory 3.41 GB
> Available Virtual Memory 2.63 GB
> Page File Space 2.41 GB
> Page File C:\pagefile.sys
>
>

What happened when you tried my suggestion?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Shumandu" <Shumandu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news0B59DDA-65EF-4501-94BB-D6C6549AE092@microsoft.com...
>I know spyware is an issue but people tend to blame it for eveything that
> goes wrong on an OS and thier divorces and WMD's too. I have scanned with
> four different spyware tools. I do not have spyware on my system, if I do
> it's hidden so well it deserves to stay there. What other possible issues
> can cause the "Sorry for the inconvienience but Windows can not start
> because
> this upgrade sucks" message.
> Onward through the fog
>
>
> "Shumandu" wrote