On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:13 -0800, Paul Allen <"paul dot l dot allen
at comcast dot net"> wrote:

re
>> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>
>It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
>flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
>won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
>their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
>I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
>strategy. :-(
>
>Paul Allen

Unfortunately, yes. The problem for Sun has always been that deep
down Scott McNealy is a hardware guy. That is what gets his interest,
not software.

On top of all that, it is hard for the Java programs at Sun to
justify their existence unless they can "monetize" Java.

And you also see some of the confusion in the strategy about such
issues as exactly who controls the future of Java.

Now, a whole 'nother story is the confusion regarding Solaris X86, but
we'll save that one for a different flame war.

Father Kodak wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:32:13 -0800, Paul Allen <"paul dot l dot allen
> at comcast dot net"> wrote:
>
> re
>>> of Elephantiasis in the same timeframe.
>> It wasn't about money, but rather about preventing Microsoft from
>> flooding the market with their proprietary version of Java. Sun
>> won, big time, although it's not clear what that win means for
>> their long-term survival. Java's on what, it's third GUI toolkit?
>> I was just thinking about learning Swing, and now it's out and
>> something else is in. That's a platform without a long-term
>> strategy. :-(
>>
>> Paul Allen
>
> Unfortunately, yes. The problem for Sun has always been that deep
> down Scott McNealy is a hardware guy. That is what gets his interest,
> not software.
>
> On top of all that, it is hard for the Java programs at Sun to
> justify their existence unless they can "monetize" Java.

Java Server Pages, anyone? Java on databases, like Oracle?
>
> And you also see some of the confusion in the strategy about such
> issues as exactly who controls the future of Java.
>
> Now, a whole 'nother story is the confusion regarding Solaris X86, but
> we'll save that one for a different flame war.

Dey doin ok, esp hitching onto the Open Office cattle train.