George Forum wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>>
>>>John Corliss wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>When I was using Millennium Edition, Hyperterminal was an optional
>>>>>>installation and I never put it on the hard drive. Now, in XP, I
>>>>>>see that it's installed by default and there's no way to remove
>>>>>>it easily. Can anybody tell me why this is so? Especially in
>>>>>>light of this page:
>>>>>
>>>http://www.trendmicro.com.au/consume...VAdvisories=24
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>From what I've read, it's necessary for a "Telnet session",
>>>>>>whatever that is, and I don't remember every doing one. Seems to
>>>>>>me that it's just another hole for a hacker to crawl in through.
>>>>>>Is it going to hurt anything to remove Hyperterminal?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hyperterminal is not active unless you activate it by clicking
>>>>>its shortcut, so it is of no danger to you. Don't worry about it!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, but what do I need it installed for? Can you tell me what
>>>>other programs depend on it being installed or what use I would
>>>>ever have for it? I don't even have a fax/modem in my box because I
>>>>connect via cable. I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to installed
>>>>stuff. For
>>>>instance, I intent to totally remove Windows Messenger.
>>>
>>>AFAI, hyperterminal is a stand-alone program with no
>>>dependencies. It uses 1/1000 of what's in the system32
>>>folder, so deleting it is equivalent to shaving one dollar
>>>off the price of a $1000 laptop. You'll have to do a lot
>>>of shaving to make an impact!
>>
>>Well, then so be it. I just don't like having programs on my computer
>>that I can't easily uninstall, and for which there seems to be no
>>purpose. This smacks to me of some kind of "loaded agenda" type deal.
>>
>>For instance, why ...if I'm not on any kind of LAN... should I have
>>NetBIOS, File and Printer Sharing, Client for MS Networks, etc. etc.
>>etc. installed by default? Why isn't all of this stuff offered as
>>options during Windows setup?
>>
>>I just don't like letting my soft underbelly show any more than is
>>necessary.
>
>
> Windows is a tool/toy box that is full. Would you like to get one that is
> empty then have to fill it any more than you already have to?

Your analogy is flawed. If the toys make me vulnerable or serve no
purpose, why put them in the box?

--
Regards from John Corliss

John Corliss wrote:
> George Forum wrote:
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I was using Millennium Edition, Hyperterminal was an
>>>>>>> optional installation and I never put it on the hard drive.
>>>>>>> Now, in XP, I see that it's installed by default and there's no
>>>>>>> way to remove it easily. Can anybody tell me why this is so?
>>>>>>> Especially in light of this page:
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.trendmicro.com.au/consume...VAdvisories=24
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I've read, it's necessary for a "Telnet session",
>>>>>>> whatever that is, and I don't remember every doing one. Seems to
>>>>>>> me that it's just another hole for a hacker to crawl in through.
>>>>>>> Is it going to hurt anything to remove Hyperterminal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hyperterminal is not active unless you activate it by clicking
>>>>>> its shortcut, so it is of no danger to you. Don't worry about it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, but what do I need it installed for? Can you tell me what
>>>>> other programs depend on it being installed or what use I would
>>>>> ever have for it? I don't even have a fax/modem in my box because
>>>>> I connect via cable. I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to
>>>>> installed stuff. For
>>>>> instance, I intent to totally remove Windows Messenger.
>>>>
>>>> AFAI, hyperterminal is a stand-alone program with no
>>>> dependencies. It uses 1/1000 of what's in the system32
>>>> folder, so deleting it is equivalent to shaving one dollar
>>>> off the price of a $1000 laptop. You'll have to do a lot
>>>> of shaving to make an impact!
>>>
>>> Well, then so be it. I just don't like having programs on my
>>> computer that I can't easily uninstall, and for which there seems
>>> to be no purpose. This smacks to me of some kind of "loaded agenda"
>>> type deal. For instance, why ...if I'm not on any kind of LAN... should
>>> I have
>>> NetBIOS, File and Printer Sharing, Client for MS Networks, etc. etc.
>>> etc. installed by default? Why isn't all of this stuff offered as
>>> options during Windows setup?
>>>
>>> I just don't like letting my soft underbelly show any more than is
>>> necessary.
>>
>>
>> Windows is a tool/toy box that is full. Would you like to get one
>> that is empty then have to fill it any more than you already have to?
>
> Your analogy is flawed. If the toys make me vulnerable or serve no
> purpose, why put them in the box?

IF is the key word here.

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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> Michael Stevens wrote:
> > "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:11rcvpma3k6bh2d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
> >>
> >>>John Corliss wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>John Corliss wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>When I was using Millennium Edition, Hyperterminal was an optional
> >>>>>>installation and I never put it on the hard drive. Now, in XP, I see
> >>>>>>that it's installed by default and there's no way to remove it
> >
> > easily.
> >
> >>>>>>Can anybody tell me why this is so? Especially in light of this
page:
> >>>>>
> >
http://www.trendmicro.com.au/consume...VAdvisories=24
> >
> >>>>>>From what I've read, it's necessary for a "Telnet session", whatever
> >>>>>>that is, and I don't remember every doing one. Seems to me that it's
> >>>>>>just another hole for a hacker to crawl in through. Is it going to
> >
> > hurt
> >
> >>>>>>anything to remove Hyperterminal?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hyperterminal is not active unless you activate it by clicking
> >>>>>its shortcut, so it is of no danger to you. Don't worry about it!
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks, but what do I need it installed for? Can you tell me what
other
> >>>>programs depend on it being installed or what use I would ever have
for
> >>>>it? I don't even have a fax/modem in my box because I connect via
> >
> > cable.
> >
> >>>>I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to installed stuff. For
> >>>>instance, I intent to totally remove Windows Messenger.
> >>>
> >>>AFAI, hyperterminal is a stand-alone program with no
> >>>dependencies. It uses 1/1000 of what's in the system32
> >>>folder, so deleting it is equivalent to shaving one dollar
> >>>off the price of a $1000 laptop. You'll have to do a lot
> >>>of shaving to make an impact!
> >>
> >>Well, then so be it. I just don't like having programs on my computer
> >>that I can't easily uninstall, and for which there seems to be no
> >>purpose. This smacks to me of some kind of "loaded agenda" type deal.
> >>
> >>For instance, why ...if I'm not on any kind of LAN... should I have
> >>NetBIOS, File and Printer Sharing, Client for MS Networks, etc. etc.
> >>etc. installed by default? Why isn't all of this stuff offered as
> >>options during Windows setup?
> >>
> >>I just don't like letting my soft underbelly show any more than is
> >>necessary.
> >
> > Because many people need the above listed and it makes for a much more
> > seamless installation for the majority of the people using the product
and
> > the overhead is minimal and easily uninstalled for the ones that can be
> > uninstalled.
> > It's the same with any OS today, even Linux distros that try to be user
> > friendly install things that not everyone needs. MAC is the same.
Someone
> > buying a laptop for the first time really appreciates how easy it is to
> > login to a wireless network today as compared to a couple of years ago.
Take
> > out the LAN capability and the ease is gone.
> > It makes more sense to include them for the people that need them than
to
> > not for the few that are overly minimalist and a minority of the install
> > base.
>
> All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
> Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible
> to easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>
> --
> Regards from John "just curious" Corliss

Because it is a stand-alone program that has no dependencies
or registry entries. It's the same with xcopy.exe, convert.exe,
chkdsk.exe. In fact, very few of the 300 or so .exe files located
in the System32 directory have an uninstall entry. Have a look
for yourself!

So delete it.


"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> news:11rdse6feufnd6a@corp.supernews.com...
>> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> > "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:11rcvpma3k6bh2d@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> >>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>John Corliss wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>John Corliss wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>When I was using Millennium Edition, Hyperterminal was an optional
>> >>>>>>installation and I never put it on the hard drive. Now, in XP, I
>> >>>>>>see
>> >>>>>>that it's installed by default and there's no way to remove it
>> >
>> > easily.
>> >
>> >>>>>>Can anybody tell me why this is so? Especially in light of this
> page:
>> >>>>>
>> >
> http://www.trendmicro.com.au/consume...VAdvisories=24
>> >
>> >>>>>>From what I've read, it's necessary for a "Telnet session",
>> >>>>>>whatever
>> >>>>>>that is, and I don't remember every doing one. Seems to me that
>> >>>>>>it's
>> >>>>>>just another hole for a hacker to crawl in through. Is it going to
>> >
>> > hurt
>> >
>> >>>>>>anything to remove Hyperterminal?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Hyperterminal is not active unless you activate it by clicking
>> >>>>>its shortcut, so it is of no danger to you. Don't worry about it!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks, but what do I need it installed for? Can you tell me what
> other
>> >>>>programs depend on it being installed or what use I would ever have
> for
>> >>>>it? I don't even have a fax/modem in my box because I connect via
>> >
>> > cable.
>> >
>> >>>>I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to installed stuff. For
>> >>>>instance, I intent to totally remove Windows Messenger.
>> >>>
>> >>>AFAI, hyperterminal is a stand-alone program with no
>> >>>dependencies. It uses 1/1000 of what's in the system32
>> >>>folder, so deleting it is equivalent to shaving one dollar
>> >>>off the price of a $1000 laptop. You'll have to do a lot
>> >>>of shaving to make an impact!
>> >>
>> >>Well, then so be it. I just don't like having programs on my computer
>> >>that I can't easily uninstall, and for which there seems to be no
>> >>purpose. This smacks to me of some kind of "loaded agenda" type deal.
>> >>
>> >>For instance, why ...if I'm not on any kind of LAN... should I have
>> >>NetBIOS, File and Printer Sharing, Client for MS Networks, etc. etc.
>> >>etc. installed by default? Why isn't all of this stuff offered as
>> >>options during Windows setup?
>> >>
>> >>I just don't like letting my soft underbelly show any more than is
>> >>necessary.
>> >
>> > Because many people need the above listed and it makes for a much more
>> > seamless installation for the majority of the people using the product
> and
>> > the overhead is minimal and easily uninstalled for the ones that can be
>> > uninstalled.
>> > It's the same with any OS today, even Linux distros that try to be user
>> > friendly install things that not everyone needs. MAC is the same.
> Someone
>> > buying a laptop for the first time really appreciates how easy it is to
>> > login to a wireless network today as compared to a couple of years ago.
> Take
>> > out the LAN capability and the ease is gone.
>> > It makes more sense to include them for the people that need them than
> to
>> > not for the few that are overly minimalist and a minority of the
>> > install
>> > base.
>>
>> All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
>> Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible
>> to easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>>
>> --
>> Regards from John "just curious" Corliss
>
> Because it is a stand-alone program that has no dependencies
> or registry entries. It's the same with xcopy.exe, convert.exe,
> chkdsk.exe. In fact, very few of the 300 or so .exe files located
> in the System32 directory have an uninstall entry. Have a look
> for yourself!
>
>

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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> Michael Stevens wrote:
> > "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:11rcvpma3k6bh2d@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
> >>
> >>>John Corliss wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>John Corliss wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>When I was using Millennium Edition, Hyperterminal was an optional
> >>>>>>installation and I never put it on the hard drive. Now, in XP, I see
> >>>>>>that it's installed by default and there's no way to remove it
> >
> > easily.
> >
> >>>>>>Can anybody tell me why this is so? Especially in light of this
page:
> >>>>>
> >
http://www.trendmicro.com.au/consume...VAdvisories=24
> >
> >>>>>>From what I've read, it's necessary for a "Telnet session", whatever
> >>>>>>that is, and I don't remember every doing one. Seems to me that it's
> >>>>>>just another hole for a hacker to crawl in through. Is it going to
> >
> > hurt
> >
> >>>>>>anything to remove Hyperterminal?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hyperterminal is not active unless you activate it by clicking
> >>>>>its shortcut, so it is of no danger to you. Don't worry about it!
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks, but what do I need it installed for? Can you tell me what
other
> >>>>programs depend on it being installed or what use I would ever have
for
> >>>>it? I don't even have a fax/modem in my box because I connect via
> >
> > cable.
> >
> >>>>I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to installed stuff. For
> >>>>instance, I intent to totally remove Windows Messenger.
> >>>
> >>>AFAI, hyperterminal is a stand-alone program with no
> >>>dependencies. It uses 1/1000 of what's in the system32
> >>>folder, so deleting it is equivalent to shaving one dollar
> >>>off the price of a $1000 laptop. You'll have to do a lot
> >>>of shaving to make an impact!
> >>
> >>Well, then so be it. I just don't like having programs on my computer
> >>that I can't easily uninstall, and for which there seems to be no
> >>purpose. This smacks to me of some kind of "loaded agenda" type deal.
> >>
> >>For instance, why ...if I'm not on any kind of LAN... should I have
> >>NetBIOS, File and Printer Sharing, Client for MS Networks, etc. etc.
> >>etc. installed by default? Why isn't all of this stuff offered as
> >>options during Windows setup?
> >>
> >>I just don't like letting my soft underbelly show any more than is
> >>necessary.
> >
> > Because many people need the above listed and it makes for a much more
> > seamless installation for the majority of the people using the product
and
> > the overhead is minimal and easily uninstalled for the ones that can be
> > uninstalled.
> > It's the same with any OS today, even Linux distros that try to be user
> > friendly install things that not everyone needs. MAC is the same.
Someone
> > buying a laptop for the first time really appreciates how easy it is to
> > login to a wireless network today as compared to a couple of years ago.
Take
> > out the LAN capability and the ease is gone.
> > It makes more sense to include them for the people that need them than
to
> > not for the few that are overly minimalist and a minority of the install
> > base.
>
> All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
> Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible
> to easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>
> --
> Regards from John "just curious" Corliss

As in my reply, I said "the ones that can be uninstalled" Hyperterminal
falls outside that category. Pegasus answered your question and gave some
great insight on the reason.
I never understood the reasoning around removing code that takes up very
little space and increases compatibility and the ability to install
applications and hardware without jumping through hoops. That is the reason
for folders and applications not having add/remove listing. They are
essential for compatibility.
You see the consequences of customization in companies like Compaq,
eMachines, etc. where they do not have the ability to upgrade to newer
system, because they are missing certain bits of code, or the code was
altered.

Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm

HyperTerminal gives you direct access to your modem. You can access any
modem commands. It was very useful just before the internet when many
bulletin boards were available. You would send and receive messages through
the terminal.

"Michael Stevens" <xpnews@bogusmvps.org> wrote in message
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>
> "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> news:11rdse6feufnd6a@corp.supernews.com...
>> Michael Stevens wrote:
>> > "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:11rcvpma3k6bh2d@corp.supernews.com...
>> >
>> >>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>John Corliss wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Pegasus (MVP) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>John Corliss wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>When I was using Millennium Edition, Hyperterminal was an optional
>> >>>>>>installation and I never put it on the hard drive. Now, in XP, I
>> >>>>>>see
>> >>>>>>that it's installed by default and there's no way to remove it
>> >
>> > easily.
>> >
>> >>>>>>Can anybody tell me why this is so? Especially in light of this
> page:
>> >>>>>
>> >
> http://www.trendmicro.com.au/consume...VAdvisories=24
>> >
>> >>>>>>From what I've read, it's necessary for a "Telnet session",
>> >>>>>>whatever
>> >>>>>>that is, and I don't remember every doing one. Seems to me that
>> >>>>>>it's
>> >>>>>>just another hole for a hacker to crawl in through. Is it going to
>> >
>> > hurt
>> >
>> >>>>>>anything to remove Hyperterminal?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Hyperterminal is not active unless you activate it by clicking
>> >>>>>its shortcut, so it is of no danger to you. Don't worry about it!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks, but what do I need it installed for? Can you tell me what
> other
>> >>>>programs depend on it being installed or what use I would ever have
> for
>> >>>>it? I don't even have a fax/modem in my box because I connect via
>> >
>> > cable.
>> >
>> >>>>I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to installed stuff. For
>> >>>>instance, I intent to totally remove Windows Messenger.
>> >>>
>> >>>AFAI, hyperterminal is a stand-alone program with no
>> >>>dependencies. It uses 1/1000 of what's in the system32
>> >>>folder, so deleting it is equivalent to shaving one dollar
>> >>>off the price of a $1000 laptop. You'll have to do a lot
>> >>>of shaving to make an impact!
>> >>
>> >>Well, then so be it. I just don't like having programs on my computer
>> >>that I can't easily uninstall, and for which there seems to be no
>> >>purpose. This smacks to me of some kind of "loaded agenda" type deal.
>> >>
>> >>For instance, why ...if I'm not on any kind of LAN... should I have
>> >>NetBIOS, File and Printer Sharing, Client for MS Networks, etc. etc.
>> >>etc. installed by default? Why isn't all of this stuff offered as
>> >>options during Windows setup?
>> >>
>> >>I just don't like letting my soft underbelly show any more than is
>> >>necessary.
>> >
>> > Because many people need the above listed and it makes for a much more
>> > seamless installation for the majority of the people using the product
> and
>> > the overhead is minimal and easily uninstalled for the ones that can be
>> > uninstalled.
>> > It's the same with any OS today, even Linux distros that try to be user
>> > friendly install things that not everyone needs. MAC is the same.
> Someone
>> > buying a laptop for the first time really appreciates how easy it is to
>> > login to a wireless network today as compared to a couple of years ago.
> Take
>> > out the LAN capability and the ease is gone.
>> > It makes more sense to include them for the people that need them than
> to
>> > not for the few that are overly minimalist and a minority of the
>> > install
>> > base.
>>
>> All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
>> Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible
>> to easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>>
>> --
>> Regards from John "just curious" Corliss
>
> As in my reply, I said "the ones that can be uninstalled" Hyperterminal
> falls outside that category. Pegasus answered your question and gave some
> great insight on the reason.
> I never understood the reasoning around removing code that takes up very
> little space and increases compatibility and the ability to install
> applications and hardware without jumping through hoops. That is the
> reason
> for folders and applications not having add/remove listing. They are
> essential for compatibility.
> You see the consequences of customization in companies like Compaq,
> eMachines, etc. where they do not have the ability to upgrade to newer
> system, because they are missing certain bits of code, or the code was
> altered.
>
> Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
> xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
> For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm
>
>
>

"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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> All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
> Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible to
> easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>
> --
> Regards from John "just curious" Corliss

John, Hyperterminal is a useful little program that can be used to
communicate directly with a modem, a serial port, to link two PCs together
via serial ports etc. I use it to dial into our phone system at work and
change settings because it can emulate the "Proper" stand alone terminal
that's not accessible from home. Yes it will also do telnet but is not the
actual Windows "Component" used when Windows needs a telnet client.

To some people it IS a useful tool that carries so little overhead it may as
well be included. Some very old Fords used to come with a couple of
wrenches, a screwdriver and even a grease gun and tire irons I think, 99% of
owners probably never used any of them but they were there if needed. Your
car didn't stop running if you threw the tools away.

So you asked why it was there, it is there because to many people it's
handy, if you don't want it then no harm will result if you remove it, but
you don't need desktop wallpaper either and that probably takes up as much
space. When the gains are outweighed by the effort involved most people
don't bother.

I don't know of anything else that uses Hyperterminal, there are certainly
more advanced commercial programs out there to do the job "Easier", so any
hyperterminal "Exploits" are harmless unless you are using it.

Charlie.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> news:11rdse6feufnd6a@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>>All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
>>Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible to
>>easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>>
>>--
>>Regards from John "just curious" Corliss
>
>
> John, Hyperterminal is a useful little program that can be used to
> communicate directly with a modem, a serial port, to link two PCs together
> via serial ports etc. I use it to dial into our phone system at work and
> change settings because it can emulate the "Proper" stand alone terminal
> that's not accessible from home. Yes it will also do telnet but is not the
> actual Windows "Component" used when Windows needs a telnet client.
>
> To some people it IS a useful tool that carries so little overhead it may as
> well be included. Some very old Fords used to come with a couple of
> wrenches, a screwdriver and even a grease gun and tire irons I think, 99% of
> owners probably never used any of them but they were there if needed. Your
> car didn't stop running if you threw the tools away.
>
> So you asked why it was there, it is there because to many people it's
> handy, if you don't want it then no harm will result if you remove it, but
> you don't need desktop wallpaper either and that probably takes up as much
> space. When the gains are outweighed by the effort involved most people
> don't bother.
>
> I don't know of anything else that uses Hyperterminal, there are certainly
> more advanced commercial programs out there to do the job "Easier", so any
> hyperterminal "Exploits" are harmless unless you are using it.
>
> Charlie.
>
>

Hyperterminal is also able to telnet using TCP/IP, it is not limited to
serial communications. I use it frequently to communicate with,
configure and secure network printers, for example.

Hyperterminal is useful (often esssencial) for configuring routers,
managed switches and wireless APs. For example, an unconfigured router
often cannot be managed via TCP/IP until it is configured and a terminal
program must be used via serial port.

Also, FWIW, I've found that the versions of Hyperterminal that ship with
Win2K/XP do not properly support F# key inputs on some terminal sessions
(for example many HVAC systems I've dealt with), however the version
that ships with Win9x runs and works fine under 2K/XP and supports all
the F# key inputs.

Steve N.

"Steve N." <me@here.now> wrote in message
news:S0duf.2366$Hl6.2292@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>> "John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:11rdse6feufnd6a@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>
>>>All right then, Michael, why then is Hyperterminal not listed in the
>>>Add/Remove Programs Control Panel module? Why should it not be possible
>>>to easily remove it if it's unneeded?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Regards from John "just curious" Corliss
>>
>>
>> John, Hyperterminal is a useful little program that can be used to
>> communicate directly with a modem, a serial port, to link two PCs
>> together via serial ports etc. I use it to dial into our phone system at
>> work and change settings because it can emulate the "Proper" stand alone
>> terminal that's not accessible from home. Yes it will also do telnet but
>> is not the actual Windows "Component" used when Windows needs a telnet
>> client.
>>
>> To some people it IS a useful tool that carries so little overhead it may
>> as well be included. Some very old Fords used to come with a couple of
>> wrenches, a screwdriver and even a grease gun and tire irons I think, 99%
>> of owners probably never used any of them but they were there if needed.
>> Your car didn't stop running if you threw the tools away.
>>
>> So you asked why it was there, it is there because to many people it's
>> handy, if you don't want it then no harm will result if you remove it,
>> but you don't need desktop wallpaper either and that probably takes up as
>> much space. When the gains are outweighed by the effort involved most
>> people don't bother.
>>
>> I don't know of anything else that uses Hyperterminal, there are
>> certainly more advanced commercial programs out there to do the job
>> "Easier", so any hyperterminal "Exploits" are harmless unless you are
>> using it.
>>
>> Charlie.
>
> Hyperterminal is also able to telnet using TCP/IP, it is not limited to
> serial communications. I use it frequently to communicate with, configure
> and secure network printers, for example.
>
> Hyperterminal is useful (often esssencial) for configuring routers,
> managed switches and wireless APs. For example, an unconfigured router
> often cannot be managed via TCP/IP until it is configured and a terminal
> program must be used via serial port.
>
> Also, FWIW, I've found that the versions of Hyperterminal that ship with
> Win2K/XP do not properly support F# key inputs on some terminal sessions
> (for example many HVAC systems I've dealt with), however the version that
> ships with Win9x runs and works fine under 2K/XP and supports all the F#
> key inputs.
>
> Steve N.


Interesting, I used to do a lot of RS232 stuff

Mind you QuickBasic was useful in those days too

Charlie