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I have run into trouble with my daughter's computer. It is running XP Home,
and used for online chatting and email primarily. I run NAV 2005 and ZoneAlarm Free on it, and check periodically with AdAware and SpyBot S&D. It has SP2 installed, and configured to automatically install Critical Updates. But it's been a few months since I've been up there to check on it. Yesterday morning she told me it was starting to get messed up (non-technical term!). I'm pretty good about trouble-shooting hardware, software, etc., and have been doing this for about 15 years, but this system shows an odd combination of problems. Here's a list: 1. Sometimes after a reboot, the desktop icons do not appear. 2. When "1" occurs, if I attempt to open Control Panel, nothing happens 3. When "1" occurs, if I try to access System Properties with the Windows Key+Break shortcut, I get an error message: c:\windows\system32\rundll32.exe The parameter is incorrect 4. The Quick Launch toolbar disappears after every reboot. I tried Doug Knox's fix (Windows XP doesn't remember user settings) without success. 5. When I re-enable Quick Launch, the desktop icon shows correctly, but all the others are "generic." 6. When I hit the Start button, the quick access entries at the top are also "generic." 7. Often, a right-click on the desktop produces no action whatsoever. 8. Often when trying to run a program from the Start Menu, "Explorer" crashes. I have rerun SpyBot, NAV2005 and AdAware, found a few cookie files and a registry entry or two, but this hasn't changed the problem The biggest suspect: ZoneAlarm. Apparently at some point recently, she inadvertently took the bait and did a trial upgrade to ZoneAlarm Security Suite. The trial period ran out (all unbeknownst to me), and I think this is about when this all started to go down the tubes. One of the first things I tried to do was uninstall it. My first attempt was unsuccessful with "Explorer" crashing. I then booted into Safe Mode in order to uninstall ZASecurity Suite, which apparently completed uneventfully. But after reboot, the above problems still recur sporadically. I don't know if this is residue from ZoneAlarm or not, but something very funky is going on, and I'm not sure where to go next to try and repair it. I guess I could try a "Repair" to XP Home via the install CD, but then I'll have to reinstall SP2 and all the updates. I'd rather find a more 'surgical' repair if one is possible. Thanks for wading through this, and for any suggestions you might have. -- Don Photo Website at: http://www.dlcphotography.net [Remove the "lens cap" for email] |
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In news:EZWdnTPOHM1cVCTeRVn-hw@adelphia.com,
Don Cohen <doncohen@lens-cap.alltel.net> had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: > I have run into trouble with my daughter's computer. It is running > XP Home, and used for online chatting and email primarily. I run NAV > 2005 and ZoneAlarm Free on it, and check periodically with AdAware > and SpyBot S&D. It has SP2 installed, and configured to automatically > install Critical Updates. But it's been a few months since I've been > up there to check on it. > > Yesterday morning she told me it was starting to get messed up > (non-technical term!). I'm pretty good about trouble-shooting > hardware, software, etc., and have been doing this for about 15 > years, but this system shows an odd combination of problems. Here's > a list: > 1. Sometimes after a reboot, the desktop icons do not appear. > > 2. When "1" occurs, if I attempt to open Control Panel, nothing > happens > 3. When "1" occurs, if I try to access System Properties with the > Windows Key+Break shortcut, I get an error message: > c:\windows\system32\rundll32.exe > The parameter is incorrect > > 4. The Quick Launch toolbar disappears after every reboot. I tried > Doug Knox's fix (Windows XP doesn't remember user settings) without > success. > 5. When I re-enable Quick Launch, the desktop icon shows correctly, > but all the others are "generic." > > 6. When I hit the Start button, the quick access entries at the top > are also "generic." > > 7. Often, a right-click on the desktop produces no action whatsoever. > > 8. Often when trying to run a program from the Start Menu, "Explorer" > crashes. > > I have rerun SpyBot, NAV2005 and AdAware, found a few cookie files > and a registry entry or two, but this hasn't changed the problem > > The biggest suspect: ZoneAlarm. Apparently at some point recently, > she inadvertently took the bait and did a trial upgrade to ZoneAlarm > Security Suite. The trial period ran out (all unbeknownst to me), > and I think this is about when this all started to go down the tubes. > One of the first things I tried to do was uninstall it. My first > attempt was unsuccessful with "Explorer" crashing. > > I then booted into Safe Mode in order to uninstall ZASecurity Suite, > which apparently completed uneventfully. But after reboot, the above > problems still recur sporadically. > > I don't know if this is residue from ZoneAlarm or not, but something > very funky is going on, and I'm not sure where to go next to try and > repair it. I guess I could try a "Repair" to XP Home via the install > CD, but then I'll have to reinstall SP2 and all the updates. I'd > rather find a more 'surgical' repair if one is possible. > > Thanks for wading through this, and for any suggestions you might > have. As it's XP Home you needn't worry about EFS. Thank you for all the information, if only every post was as complete but not full of information not needed. I suspect that you're daughter's profile has, for one reason or another, become corrupted. It's a fairly mundane fix. Corrupt Profile: http://kgiii.info/windows/XP/general...t_profile.html -- Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE) http://dts-l.org/ http://kgiii.info/ "We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind, which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." - Sherlock Holmes |
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Galen,
> As it's XP Home you needn't worry about EFS. Thank you for all the > information, if only every post was as complete but not full of > information not needed. I suspect that you're daughter's profile has, for > one reason or another, become corrupted. It's a fairly mundane fix. > > Corrupt Profile: > http://kgiii.info/windows/XP/general...t_profile.html > > -- > Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE) > http://dts-l.org/ > http://kgiii.info/ Thanks much for the reply and link. It'll probably be Wednesday before I'll have time to try this out, but I'm hopeful that this will do it. I actually gave some thought to creating a new User Profile, but didn't follow-up on it. I'll repost when I know if this fixes it or not. Best, -- Don Photo Website at: http://www.dlcphotography.net [Remove the "lens cap" for email] |
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Don Cohen wrote:
> I have run into trouble with my daughter's computer. It is running XP Home, > and used for online chatting and email primarily. I run NAV 2005 and > ZoneAlarm Free on it, and check periodically with AdAware and SpyBot S&D. > It has SP2 installed, and configured to automatically install Critical > Updates. But it's been a few months since I've been up there to check on > it. > > Yesterday morning she told me it was starting to get messed up > (non-technical term!). I'm pretty good about trouble-shooting hardware, > software, etc., and have been doing this for about 15 years, but this system > shows an odd combination of problems. Here's a list: > > 1. Sometimes after a reboot, the desktop icons do not appear. > > 2. When "1" occurs, if I attempt to open Control Panel, nothing happens > > 3. When "1" occurs, if I try to access System Properties with the Windows > Key+Break shortcut, I get an error message: > c:\windows\system32\rundll32.exe > The parameter is incorrect > > 4. The Quick Launch toolbar disappears after every reboot. I tried Doug > Knox's fix (Windows XP doesn't remember user settings) without success. > > 5. When I re-enable Quick Launch, the desktop icon shows correctly, but all > the others are "generic." > > 6. When I hit the Start button, the quick access entries at the top are > also "generic." > > 7. Often, a right-click on the desktop produces no action whatsoever. > > 8. Often when trying to run a program from the Start Menu, "Explorer" > crashes. > > I have rerun SpyBot, NAV2005 and AdAware, found a few cookie files and a > registry entry or two, but this hasn't changed the problem > > The biggest suspect: ZoneAlarm. Apparently at some point recently, she > inadvertently took the bait and did a trial upgrade to ZoneAlarm Security > Suite. The trial period ran out (all unbeknownst to me), and I think this > is about when this all started to go down the tubes. One of the first > things I tried to do was uninstall it. My first attempt was unsuccessful > with "Explorer" crashing. > > I then booted into Safe Mode in order to uninstall ZASecurity Suite, which > apparently completed uneventfully. But after reboot, the above problems > still recur sporadically. > > I don't know if this is residue from ZoneAlarm or not, but something very > funky is going on, and I'm not sure where to go next to try and repair it. > I guess I could try a "Repair" to XP Home via the install CD, but then I'll > have to reinstall SP2 and all the updates. I'd rather find a more > 'surgical' repair if one is possible. > > Thanks for wading through this, and for any suggestions you might have. > Don it does sound like the system is malware free, but to be sure have you run all the anti-malware scans in safe mode? Also if you haven't run HijackThis and if there is any doubt about what is there post the log to one of the specialty forums for it, not this one. http://www.spywareinfo.com/forums/ http://forum.aumha.org/viewforum.php?f=30 http://forums.tomcoyote.org/ http://www.wilderssecurity.com/ -- Rock MS MVP Windows - Shell/User |
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In news:8uadnWjBboZCRiTeRVn-pA@adelphia.com,
Don Cohen <doncohen@lens-cap.alltel.net> had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: > Galen, > >> As it's XP Home you needn't worry about EFS. Thank you for all the >> information, if only every post was as complete but not full of >> information not needed. I suspect that you're daughter's profile >> has, for one reason or another, become corrupted. It's a fairly >> mundane fix. Corrupt Profile: >> http://kgiii.info/windows/XP/general...t_profile.html >> >> -- >> Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE) >> http://dts-l.org/ >> http://kgiii.info/ > > Thanks much for the reply and link. It'll probably be Wednesday > before I'll have time to try this out, but I'm hopeful that this will > do it. I actually gave some thought to creating a new User Profile, > but didn't follow-up on it. > > I'll repost when I know if this fixes it or not. > > Best, Yes, please do. As Rock's mentioned it's possible that you're infested with malware. Checking in safe mode with the latest definitions and scanning with multiple vendor applications is one way to ensure that you're 99% confident that you're clean. (There's no such thing as 100% certainty, that's a myth, if the PC is connected to the 'net at all AND if anyone other than yourself has access and capability of knowing what's installed with each application.) I'm rather curious as to the results of this and hope that you're able to figure it out. -- Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE) http://dts-l.org/ http://kgiii.info/ "We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind, which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." - Sherlock Holmes |
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A quick reply, Galen:
>> Thanks much for the reply and link. It'll probably be Wednesday >> before I'll have time to try this out, but I'm hopeful that this will >> do it. I actually gave some thought to creating a new User Profile, >> but didn't follow-up on it. >> >> I'll repost when I know if this fixes it or not. >> >> Best, > > Yes, please do. As Rock's mentioned it's possible that you're infested > with malware. Checking in safe mode with the latest definitions and > scanning with multiple vendor applications is one way to ensure that > you're 99% confident that you're clean. (There's no such thing as 100% > certainty, that's a myth, if the PC is connected to the 'net at all AND if > anyone other than yourself has access and capability of knowing what's > installed with each application.) I'm rather curious as to the results of > this and hope that you're able to figure it out. One of the first things I did was boot into Safe Mode, and run SpyBot S&D 1.3, and AdAware SE. You refer to "Rock's" - I'm not currently seeing a message from him on this thread, through my Cable-Modem Newsgroup server - odd. I just found it on Google's Groups, though. If the User Profile fix doesn't work, I'll explore the other options beyond what I've already done. Thanks again, to both of you. Will be back some time tomorrow. -- Don Photo Website at: http://www.dlcphotography.net [Remove the "lens cap" for email] |
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Hi Guys,
>> Thanks much for the reply and link. It'll probably be Wednesday >> before I'll have time to try this out, but I'm hopeful that this will >> do it. I actually gave some thought to creating a new User Profile, >> but didn't follow-up on it. >> >> I'll repost when I know if this fixes it or not. >> >> Best, > > Yes, please do. As Rock's mentioned it's possible that you're infested > with malware. Checking in safe mode with the latest definitions and > scanning with multiple vendor applications is one way to ensure that > you're 99% confident that you're clean. (There's no such thing as 100% > certainty, that's a myth, if the PC is connected to the 'net at all AND if > anyone other than yourself has access and capability of knowing what's > installed with each application.) I'm rather curious as to the results of > this and hope that you're able to figure it out. Well, just completed the operation, and so far, so good. I created the 2 new User Accounts, both with Admin privileges. Logged once into what would be my daughter's New Logon, switched to the other, copied the appropriate files from the old to the new Logon, and everything seems stable. Quick Launch remains intact after reboot, all icons are shown correctly, and no Explorer or other OS crashes. I went ahead and installed TweakUI to automate Logon to her new account, as XP defaulted to loading the old one. I also went ahead and deleted the original problematic logon, and its files, to clean up. Thanks again for the help. Will repost if problems recur, but hopefully you were correct, that this was just a Profile corruption. One follow-up question: a few months ago I installed a Wireless Router (LinkSys WR54G), having previously used a hub/switch, and so now have a hardware firewall in place. I'm inclined to not reinstall ZoneAlarm Free, certainly not Ver.6.x which has quite a few problems according to multiple posts at ZoneLab's forums. Am I putting this system at risk without a software firewall? Or should I just enable Windows Firewall? -- Don Photo Website at: http://www.dlcphotography.net [Remove the "lens cap" for email] |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:48:00 -0500, "Don Cohen"
>I have run into trouble with my daughter's computer. It is running XP Home, >and used for online chatting and email primarily. I run NAV 2005 and >ZoneAlarm Free on it, and check periodically with AdAware and SpyBot S&D. >It has SP2 installed, and configured to automatically install Critical >Updates. But it's been a few months since I've been up there to check >Yesterday morning she told me it was starting odd problems: >1. Sometimes after a reboot, the desktop icons do not appear. Can be shell, can be a user profile thing (e.g. wrong path to "desktop" location, or a setting to hide desktop icons, is in effect) >2. When "1" occurs, if I attempt to open Control Panel, nothing happens Could also be shell, settings (such as the right to access Control Panel is suppressed; unlikely, if it displays so you can attempt to open it) or a malware intercept effect. >3. When "1" occurs, if I try to access System Properties with the Windows >Key+Break shortcut, I get an error message: > c:\windows\system32\rundll32.exe > The parameter is incorrect That looks more like malware, possibly via shell integration. >4. The Quick Launch toolbar disappears after every reboot. I tried Doug >Knox's fix (Windows XP doesn't remember user settings) without success. >5. When I re-enable Quick Launch, the desktop icon shows correctly, but all >the others are "generic." >6. When I hit the Start button, the quick access entries at the top are >also "generic." >7. Often, a right-click on the desktop produces no action whatsoever. >8. Often when trying to run a program from the Start Menu, "Explorer" >crashes. All of the above look like possible shell issues. 1) Formal virus check. Unless you are a Bart CDR fundi, you will prolly skip this as "too difficult" and rely on some weaker method (e.g. scanning from Safe Mode) to "exclude" malware. 2) Check ChkDsk/AutoChk and resident antivirus logs to see if anything relevant (i.e. system code) was "fixed" by these 3) Consider a trial of System Restore rollback to before yesterday 4) Clear temp files, web caches, check file system for errors 5) Download and use NirSoft's Shall Extensions Viewer from www.nirsoft.net to reversably disable shell integrations, starting with non-Microsoft items. Apply similar logic via MSConfig. 6) Check hardware - a "static" failure pattern like this, with no STOP errors or lockups, doesn't sound like RAM - but could be a bad sector within a relevant code file Does Safe Mode work OK? Does it help to disable all browser enhancements in IE? Do you have active desktop disabled? (recommended) >I have rerun SpyBot, NAV2005 and AdAware, found a few cookie files and a >registry entry or two, but this hasn't changed the problem OK >The biggest suspect: ZoneAlarm. Apparently at some point recently, she >inadvertently took the bait and did a trial upgrade to ZoneAlarm Security >Suite. The trial period ran out (all unbeknownst to me), and I think this >is about when this all started to go down the tubes. One of the first >things I tried to do was uninstall it. My first attempt was unsuccessful >with "Explorer" crashing. NirSoft and MSConfig may be able to pinpoint that. >I guess I could try a "Repair" to XP Home via the install CD, but then I'll >have to reinstall SP2 and all the updates. I'd rather find a more >'surgical' repair if one is possible. Absolutely! "Repair" usually doesn't - see... http://cquirke.mvps.org/reinst.htm Is your HD > 137G? What is your XP installation file set's SP level? If the CD is older than SP1, do you have SP2 slipstreamed into it? If HD > 137G, installing (repair or otherwise) the original version of XP, and to a lesser extend the SP1 version, will be dangerous. That's because support for > 137G has to be there in the OS from the start, and this is faulty in SP1 and totally absent before SP1. >---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Don't pay malware vendors - boycott Sony >---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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I appreciate the reply and information, cquirke. You mentioned some tools I
was unaware of, which could prove useful in the future. See the other messages in this thread - at this point it appears that the problem was a corrupt User Profile. I created a new one, copied the appropriate files from the original, and the odd and unstable behavior, so far, appears to have been resolved. It's only been a very short time, so I'm not letting my guard down yet, but hopefully this will be the end of it. Thanks again. -- Don Photo Website at: http://www.dlcphotography.net [Remove the "lens cap" for email] "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org> wrote in message news:m3nnr15uv2at03ski0qmkmtquemp30l83m@4ax.com... > On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:48:00 -0500, "Don Cohen" > >>I have run into trouble with my daughter's computer. It is running XP >>Home, >>and used for online chatting and email primarily. I run NAV 2005 and >>ZoneAlarm Free on it, and check periodically with AdAware and SpyBot S&D. >>It has SP2 installed, and configured to automatically install Critical >>Updates. But it's been a few months since I've been up there to check > >>Yesterday morning she told me it was starting odd problems: > >>1. Sometimes after a reboot, the desktop icons do not appear. > > Can be shell, can be a user profile thing (e.g. wrong path to > "desktop" location, or a setting to hide desktop icons, is in effect) > >>2. When "1" occurs, if I attempt to open Control Panel, nothing happens > > Could also be shell, settings (such as the right to access Control > Panel is suppressed; unlikely, if it displays so you can attempt to > open it) or a malware intercept effect. > >>3. When "1" occurs, if I try to access System Properties with the Windows >>Key+Break shortcut, I get an error message: >> c:\windows\system32\rundll32.exe >> The parameter is incorrect > > That looks more like malware, possibly via shell integration. > >>4. The Quick Launch toolbar disappears after every reboot. I tried Doug >>Knox's fix (Windows XP doesn't remember user settings) without success. > >>5. When I re-enable Quick Launch, the desktop icon shows correctly, but >>all >>the others are "generic." > >>6. When I hit the Start button, the quick access entries at the top are >>also "generic." > >>7. Often, a right-click on the desktop produces no action whatsoever. > >>8. Often when trying to run a program from the Start Menu, "Explorer" >>crashes. > > All of the above look like possible shell issues. > > 1) Formal virus check. Unless you are a Bart CDR fundi, you will > prolly skip this as "too difficult" and rely on some weaker method > (e.g. scanning from Safe Mode) to "exclude" malware. > > 2) Check ChkDsk/AutoChk and resident antivirus logs to see if > anything relevant (i.e. system code) was "fixed" by these > > 3) Consider a trial of System Restore rollback to before yesterday > > 4) Clear temp files, web caches, check file system for errors > > 5) Download and use NirSoft's Shall Extensions Viewer from > www.nirsoft.net to reversably disable shell integrations, starting > with non-Microsoft items. Apply similar logic via MSConfig. > > 6) Check hardware - a "static" failure pattern like this, with no > STOP errors or lockups, doesn't sound like RAM - but could be a bad > sector within a relevant code file > > Does Safe Mode work OK? > Does it help to disable all browser enhancements in IE? > Do you have active desktop disabled? (recommended) > >>I have rerun SpyBot, NAV2005 and AdAware, found a few cookie files and a >>registry entry or two, but this hasn't changed the problem > > OK > >>The biggest suspect: ZoneAlarm. Apparently at some point recently, she >>inadvertently took the bait and did a trial upgrade to ZoneAlarm Security >>Suite. The trial period ran out (all unbeknownst to me), and I think this >>is about when this all started to go down the tubes. One of the first >>things I tried to do was uninstall it. My first attempt was unsuccessful >>with "Explorer" crashing. > > NirSoft and MSConfig may be able to pinpoint that. > >>I guess I could try a "Repair" to XP Home via the install CD, but then >>I'll >>have to reinstall SP2 and all the updates. I'd rather find a more >>'surgical' repair if one is possible. > > Absolutely! "Repair" usually doesn't - see... > > http://cquirke.mvps.org/reinst.htm > > Is your HD > 137G? > What is your XP installation file set's SP level? > If the CD is older than SP1, do you have SP2 slipstreamed into it? > > If HD > 137G, installing (repair or otherwise) the original version of > XP, and to a lesser extend the SP1 version, will be dangerous. That's > because support for > 137G has to be there in the OS from the start, > and this is faulty in SP1 and totally absent before SP1. > > > > > >>---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - > Don't pay malware vendors - boycott Sony >>---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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In news:ecqdnUuXKck2TibeRVn-gw@adelphia.com,
Don Cohen <doncohen@lens-cap.alltel.net> had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: > Hi Guys, > >>> Thanks much for the reply and link. It'll probably be Wednesday >>> before I'll have time to try this out, but I'm hopeful that this >>> will do it. I actually gave some thought to creating a new User >>> Profile, but didn't follow-up on it. >>> >>> I'll repost when I know if this fixes it or not. >>> >>> Best, >> >> Yes, please do. As Rock's mentioned it's possible that you're >> infested with malware. Checking in safe mode with the latest >> definitions and scanning with multiple vendor applications is one >> way to ensure that you're 99% confident that you're clean. (There's >> no such thing as 100% certainty, that's a myth, if the PC is >> connected to the 'net at all AND if anyone other than yourself has >> access and capability of knowing what's installed with each >> application.) I'm rather curious as to the results of this and hope >> that you're able to figure it out. > > Well, just completed the operation, and so far, so good. I created > the 2 new User Accounts, both with Admin privileges. Logged once > into what would be my daughter's New Logon, switched to the other, > copied the appropriate files from the old to the new Logon, and > everything seems stable. Quick Launch remains intact after reboot, > all icons are shown correctly, and no Explorer or other OS crashes. > > I went ahead and installed TweakUI to automate Logon to her new > account, as XP defaulted to loading the old one. I also went ahead > and deleted the original problematic logon, and its files, to clean > up. > Thanks again for the help. Will repost if problems recur, but > hopefully you were correct, that this was just a Profile corruption. > > One follow-up question: a few months ago I installed a Wireless Router > (LinkSys WR54G), having previously used a hub/switch, and so now have > a hardware firewall in place. I'm inclined to not reinstall > ZoneAlarm Free, certainly not Ver.6.x which has quite a few problems > according to multiple posts at ZoneLab's forums. Am I putting this > system at risk without a software firewall? Or should I just enable > Windows Firewall? With a firewall - hardware - and Windows firewall you should be doing okay. Windows XP SP2 yes? Make sure to have SP2 installed. Windows XP Service Pack 2: http://kgiii.info/windows/XP/general/winxpsp2.html -- Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE) http://dts-l.org/ http://kgiii.info/ "We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind, which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." - Sherlock Holmes |
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