http://groups.google.com.au/groups?a...0 06&safe=off

Is where I posted the previous version.

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"David Candy" <.> wrote in message news:...
It available as a PDF online. I posted it many times in the past.

See this for a link
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:N...=en&lr=lang_en

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"Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message news:u00twePEGHA.3068@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:OJJ1EnIEGHA.644@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>
>> I have attended several Microsoft seminars on licensing. Here are some
>> relevant portions of the current OEM agreement.
>
> Does Microsoft make this information available online, or do I have to pay
> big bucks to attend a seminar?
>
>> "4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION.
>> 4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual software
>> license only with a fully assembled
>> computer system. A "fully assembled computer system" means a computer
>> system consisting of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a
>> hard drive, a power supply, and a case.
>> 4.2 Each individual software license must be distributed pursuant to the
>> end-user license agreement ("EULA")
>> that accompanies the individual software license. Under the terms of the
>> EULA, you are the licensor."
>
> Yep, that would explain how the "qualifying hardware" becomes their entire
> computer system. Definitions in the *end* user license are more vague. We
> aren't an OEM so I've never really had a chance to see what OEM'ers have to
> agree to. I do know that our end-user retail OEM copies are much more
> pricey than the per-license cost for an OEM'er building complete hosts and
> including Windows with them.
>
>> "6. PREINSTALLATION REQUIREMENT. When you distribute an individual
>> software license for a desktop operating system or application software,
>> you must preinstall it on the fully assembled computer system’s hard drive
>> using the OEM Preinstallation Kit ("OPK") provided in this package or
>> otherwise made available by us. This preinstallation requirement does not
>> apply to server software. For a list of available OPKs, information about
>> using
>> OEM preinstallation tools, OPK support and how to obtain OPKs, see
>> www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/OPK.
>> Preinstallation is limited to one copy of each individual software
>> license. You may not copy or modify the OPK or
>> OPK instructions. You may not distribute the OPK or OPK instructions to an
>> end user."
>
> Thanks for the link. I'll go do some more checking there.
>
>> I understand that in certain cases for very large OEMs this agreement may
>> be slightly different but I have been assured by a Microsoft licensing
>> specialist that the essence is the same. OEM Offiice product cannot be
>> sold without installing it on a system. Once it is sold to the end user
>> (your $7M lab) Microsoft may make a seperate agreement with you.
>
> Our Unix admin in our QA group was the one that dealt with the licenses. I
> did have to call Microsoft (which took several calls and getting bounced
> around) to find out if our intentions were okay with Microsoft. I didn't
> want just to tech support jockey saying it was okay and had to find some
> mid-management rep to okay our intentions, but they weren't going to let me
> bother their legal department about it.
>
>> In your post you refer to "Microsoft-branded retail OEM version of
>> Windows"
>
> I meant that the CDs were Microsoft branded (i.e., they say Microsoft) and
> are not vendor-specific versions where the vendor manufactured their own
> installation/recover/restoration CD with the vendor's label on it, or that
> it was, for example, some Dell bastardized installation which installs a
> setup of software that is different (more limited, other fluff software)
> than the one you get with the Microsoft-branded CD. Just because the OEM
> says it is Windows doesn't mean it is exactly the same Windows that
> Microsoft itself distributes.
>
>> There is no retail OEM version of Windows and the OP was not about OEM
>> Windows in any case.
>
> Huh? So why is "OEM" in the Subject header of the OP? Sounded like he was
> asking about OEM versions.
>
> Thanks for the info. Looks like some more reading for me. Any links to
> what might be a boilerplate OEM contract from Microsoft? I'll dig around a
> bit over at the OEM System Builder site that you provided. We don't build
> our hosts for redistribution but a buddy of mine is thinking of building
> some hosts for Point-Of-Sale that have Windows running on them.
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my goodness, and my god,

what a long thread and yet not one made a comment regarding
children with no shoes.

each and every post always reverted to the protection of a "product"

you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

J&P

I guess this is a extension of the original post
"Oems can be sold according to this site.."
All I can say if a person has a product that they purchased...
Win98,Xp or the like and believe it is legit?
Use it.
If as in XP passes the "Phone home" verification?
Use it.
If someone is foolish enough to make tons of copies
with the same KeyCode and sell them to the public they will
get caught. Eventually.
Even XP with it's verification process can be worked around.
Win98 really didn't have a workable owner verification process.
Maybe for large corperations. But not for the Home user.
And the Licence verification of a business for 98 came through
add on programs from MS. Not the 98 OS itself.
A home user could make a copy of his/her's OEM or
retail OS CD and sell it with their Code Key.
And MS would not be any the wiser.
When it goes into mass production and sells
is when MS may take notice.
But then again MS does not recognose the
"Home User" as a legitamate market.
Everything is still geared to office and business.
If you are a home user? MS says...
"Here's some games to play"
If Home Users were a considered market?
MS would keep support programs for previous OSs.
> But you can't sell a new car if all the old ones were still running
like new. So you stop spare parts production and let the old ones break down.
But at least the auto makers let "after market companies" make new or
rebuilt parts for the old cars.
MS won't do that.

I agree with you 98%. STILL, you are under arrest, poatt!


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"poatt" <poatt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news2DD3FBB-7936-4C7A-8DD5-DCBD3EF24E2E@microsoft.com...
| I guess this is a extension of the original post
| "Oems can be sold according to this site.."
| All I can say if a person has a product that they purchased...
| Win98,Xp or the like and believe it is legit?
| Use it.
| If as in XP passes the "Phone home" verification?
| Use it.
| If someone is foolish enough to make tons of copies
| with the same KeyCode and sell them to the public they will
| get caught. Eventually.
| Even XP with it's verification process can be worked around.
| Win98 really didn't have a workable owner verification process.
| Maybe for large corperations. But not for the Home user.
| And the Licence verification of a business for 98 came through
| add on programs from MS. Not the 98 OS itself.
| A home user could make a copy of his/her's OEM or
| retail OS CD and sell it with their Code Key.
| And MS would not be any the wiser.
| When it goes into mass production and sells
| is when MS may take notice.
| But then again MS does not recognose the
| "Home User" as a legitamate market.
| Everything is still geared to office and business.
| If you are a home user? MS says...
| "Here's some games to play"
| If Home Users were a considered market?
| MS would keep support programs for previous OSs.
| > But you can't sell a new car if all the old ones were still running
| like new. So you stop spare parts production and let the old ones break down.
| But at least the auto makers let "after market companies" make new or
| rebuilt parts for the old cars.
| MS won't do that.
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