Please tell us how you are using emule for "legal" purposes! I can't think
of one.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:%23doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> WRONG!
>
> There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you know
> about what P2P networks are about.
>
>
>
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com ...
>> In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
>>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>>> to
>>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>>> its
>>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>>> EMULE,
>>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>>> without
>>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static
>>> ip
>>> addresses (internal network).
>>>
>>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>>
>>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>
>> Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless you
>> purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
>> to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
>> if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
>>
>> You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems and
>> then not have to deal with ports.
>>
>> You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
>> media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
>> forward ports.
>>
>> --
>>
>> spam999free@rrohio.com
>> remove 999 in order to email me
>
>

I have to go to the CONNECT TO icon and start my connection
with a username of type username@provider.com
and password... this is ASDL, PPPOE
and you have to do this eatch time your pc starts with the
type of modem I have that is connected directly to my pc
via ethernet cable. Furthermore I am not is USA or CANADA,
so systems may vary.

This is not dial up, but the connection is not live if I do not connect
doing what I described before.


"Yves Leclerc" <yvesleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:e3leF3T8FHA.956@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> ADSL modems do not use a "dialing" up method. They are always ON.
>
> You need a ROUTER. You are using static ip adresses (internal network --
> private IP address range) and these need to NAT (network address
> translation)
> to public IP addresses. Since most ISPs only provide 1 public IP address
> to
> a personal ADSL service, you will be "charged" for any additional public
> IP
> addresses (or even blocked.)
>
>
> Do all four PCs require Emule? If only one requires Emule, you could set
> up a
> DMZ (de-militarised zone) port to just that one PC.
>
> BTW: The SP2 firewall is very limited and should only be used as a
> "temporary" measure while looking for a better firewall.
>
>
> Also, please not that a lot a Peer to Peer sharing systems are being
> "shutdown" because of all the lawsuits that the media industries are
> filing.
> A few have already closed.
>
>
>
> On 24/11/2005 "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote:
>>I don't even need the modem to be always on.. I can dial up on it from a
>>computer, cant I do that through a switch?
>>
>>
>>"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
>>news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>>> to connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>>> its always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and
>>> between
>>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>>> EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>>> without the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
>>> static ip addresses (internal network).
>>>
>>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>>
>>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Y.
>

THANKS TO ALL (accept Leythos) for the helpfull info.




"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
> to connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
> its always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
> without the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
> static ip addresses (internal network).
>
> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>
> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>
>

> I can't think of one.


Hello Richard,

Your quote is of a person with an open mind.
Socrates, the ancient Greek philosopher said it first though, when he said:
"The only thing that I know is that I know nothing" showing how open the man
was to new knowledge and taking nothing for granted.
:-)

I will explain in the near future about the use of emule. You will hear from
me soon since you are a MVP.
Do you have a personal site? I mean one that you have your MVP and/or
technology stuff.


Thanks,

Kenny S


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OhPRLoV8FHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Please tell us how you are using emule for "legal" purposes! I can't think
> of one.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
> news:%23doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> WRONG!
>>
>> There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you
>> know about what P2P networks are about.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com ...
>>> In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
>>>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>>>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just
>>>> want to
>>>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>>>> its
>>>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>>>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>>>> EMULE,
>>>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>>>> without
>>>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static
>>>> ip
>>>> addresses (internal network).
>>>>
>>>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>>>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>>>
>>>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>>
>>> Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless you
>>> purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
>>> to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
>>> if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
>>>
>>> You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems and
>>> then not have to deal with ports.
>>>
>>> You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
>>> media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
>>> forward ports.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> spam999free@rrohio.com
>>> remove 999 in order to email me
>>
>>
>
>

"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
> to connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
> its always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
> without the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
> static ip addresses (internal network).
>
> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>
> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>
>

You can *ONLY* use a router. A switch or Hub will not facilitate sharing of
the internet connection.

In addition, the firewall that is included with windows SP2 is inbound only.
You have no outbound protection. Most routers sold these days use NAT
(Network Address Translation) and have firewall technology built in, much
greater protection than the simplistic SP2 firewall.

With a router, you will not have to "mess with ports" or any of the other
things you describe.

Finally, you will need serious Antivirus, adware, spyware and malware
protection running Emule.
Every P2P network is rife with viruses, trojans, dialers, keyloggers, etc.
P2P is more danger than it is worth.

Bobby

The only reason that *any* P2P network exists to facilitate the illegal
sharing of copyrighted material. You cannot justify their existence in any
other way. Your moral values are obviously low enough that being a thief
does not bother you, which is your right, I guess. You cannot defend the use
of any P2P for anything other than theft.

Bobby

"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:%23doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> WRONG!
>
> There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you know
> about what P2P networks are about.
>
>
>
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com ...
>> In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
>>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>>> to
>>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>>> its
>>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>>> EMULE,
>>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>>> without
>>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static
>>> ip
>>> addresses (internal network).
>>>
>>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>>
>>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>
>> Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless you
>> purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
>> to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
>> if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
>>
>> You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems and
>> then not have to deal with ports.
>>
>> You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
>> media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
>> forward ports.
>>
>> --
>>
>> spam999free@rrohio.com
>> remove 999 in order to email me
>
>

kenny wrote:

> I have to go to the CONNECT TO icon and start my connection
> with a username of type username@provider.com
> and password... this is ASDL, PPPOE
> and you have to do this eatch time your pc starts with the
> type of modem I have that is connected directly to my pc
> via ethernet cable. Furthermore I am not is USA or CANADA,
> so systems may vary.

Another reason you need a router - it will do the PPPOE login on behalf
of the 4 PCs. When you set up the router, you tell it your username and
password.

> This is not dial up, but the connection is not live if I do not connect
> doing what I described before.

Most routers can be configured to either keep the connection permanently
live, or connect on demand (whenever one of your PCs tries to reach the
Internet) then drop the connection after a period of inactivity.

> "Yves Leclerc" <yvesleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:e3leF3T8FHA.956@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>>ADSL modems do not use a "dialing" up method. They are always ON.
>>
>>You need a ROUTER. You are using static ip adresses (internal network --
>>private IP address range) and these need to NAT (network address
>>translation)
>>to public IP addresses. Since most ISPs only provide 1 public IP address
>>to
>>a personal ADSL service, you will be "charged" for any additional public
>>IP
>>addresses (or even blocked.)
>>
>>
>>Do all four PCs require Emule? If only one requires Emule, you could set
>>up a
>>DMZ (de-militarised zone) port to just that one PC.
>>
>>BTW: The SP2 firewall is very limited and should only be used as a
>>"temporary" measure while looking for a better firewall.
>>
>>
>>Also, please not that a lot a Peer to Peer sharing systems are being
>>"shutdown" because of all the lawsuits that the media industries are
>>filing.
>>A few have already closed.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 24/11/2005 "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't even need the modem to be always on.. I can dial up on it from a
>>>computer, cant I do that through a switch?
>>>
>>>
>>>"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
>>>news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>>>>hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>>>>to connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>>>>its always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and
>>>>between
>>>>themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>>>>EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>>>>without the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
>>>>static ip addresses (internal network).
>>>>
>>>>I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>>>>connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>>>
>>>>Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>---
>>
>>Y.
>>
>
>
>

FWIW, I can think of one -- software distribution, which is already
happening w/ a number of companies. And in the future, expect to see
movies, TV broadcasts, and anything else involving HUGE files for large #'s
of ppl employing this technology. How else are they going to distribute all
that data to your desktop, PDA, cellphone, Tivo, etc.

I'll grant you 99% of it is illegitimate TODAY, but this is only the
beginning. Eventually the technology will be harnessed to deliver content,
software, etc., out of pure necessity, and ironically by those complaining
the loudest today. There is no other choice. Client/server will simply
never scale adequately to handle this much data for so many ppl. p2p is
going to be around a looooooong time to come, perhaps in other incarnations,
but p2p nonetheless.

Jim


"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:uhvQGqX8FHA.500@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> The only reason that *any* P2P network exists to facilitate the illegal
> sharing of copyrighted material. You cannot justify their existence in
any
> other way. Your moral values are obviously low enough that being a thief
> does not bother you, which is your right, I guess. You cannot defend the
use
> of any P2P for anything other than theft.
>
> Bobby
>
> "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
> news:%23doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > WRONG!
> >
> > There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you
know
> > about what P2P networks are about.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> > news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com ...
> >> In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
> >>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> >>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just
want
> >>> to
> >>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
> >>> its
> >>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> >>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> >>> EMULE,
> >>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
> >>> without
> >>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static
> >>> ip
> >>> addresses (internal network).
> >>>
> >>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> >>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
> >>>
> >>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
> >>
> >> Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless
you
> >> purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
> >> to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
> >> if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
> >>
> >> You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems
and
> >> then not have to deal with ports.
> >>
> >> You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
> >> media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
> >> forward ports.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> spam999free@rrohio.com
> >> remove 999 in order to email me
> >
> >
>
>

NoNoBadDog! wrote:

> The only reason that *any* P2P network exists to facilitate the illegal
> sharing of copyrighted material. You cannot justify their existence in any
> other way. Your moral values are obviously low enough that being a thief
> does not bother you, which is your right, I guess. You cannot defend the use
> of any P2P for anything other than theft.
>
> Bobby

Nonsense.

http://www.weedshare.com/
http://www.peerimpact.com/
http://www.mashboxx.com/

Triffid

> "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
> news:%23doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>>WRONG!
>>
>>There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you know
>>about what P2P networks are about.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>>news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.c om...
>>
>>>In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
>>>
>>>>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>>>>hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>>>>to
>>>>connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>>>>its
>>>>always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>>>>themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>>>>EMULE,
>>>>and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>>>>without
>>>>the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static
>>>>ip
>>>>addresses (internal network).
>>>>
>>>>I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>>>>connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>>>
>>>>Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>>
>>>Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless you
>>>purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
>>>to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
>>>if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
>>>
>>>You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems and
>>>then not have to deal with ports.
>>>
>>>You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
>>>media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
>>>forward ports.
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>spam999free@rrohio.com
>>>remove 999 in order to email me
>>
>>
>
>

I should have specifically mentioned BitTorrent, it's being used for
software distribution TODAY.

Jim


"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:Zixhf.34562$qw.27989@fed1read07...
> FWIW, I can think of one -- software distribution, which is already
> happening w/ a number of companies. And in the future, expect to see
> movies, TV broadcasts, and anything else involving HUGE files for large
#'s
> of ppl employing this technology. How else are they going to distribute
all
> that data to your desktop, PDA, cellphone, Tivo, etc.
>
> I'll grant you 99% of it is illegitimate TODAY, but this is only the
> beginning. Eventually the technology will be harnessed to deliver
content,
> software, etc., out of pure necessity, and ironically by those complaining
> the loudest today. There is no other choice. Client/server will simply
> never scale adequately to handle this much data for so many ppl. p2p is
> going to be around a looooooong time to come, perhaps in other
incarnations,
> but p2p nonetheless.
>
> Jim
>
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:uhvQGqX8FHA.500@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > The only reason that *any* P2P network exists to facilitate the illegal
> > sharing of copyrighted material. You cannot justify their existence in
> any
> > other way. Your moral values are obviously low enough that being a
thief
> > does not bother you, which is your right, I guess. You cannot defend the
> use
> > of any P2P for anything other than theft.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
> > news:%23doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > WRONG!
> > >
> > > There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you
> know
> > > about what P2P networks are about.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> > > news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com ...
> > >> In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all
says...
> > >>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> > >>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just
> want
> > >>> to
> > >>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so
that
> > >>> its
> > >>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and
between
> > >>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> > >>> EMULE,
> > >>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
> > >>> without
> > >>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
static
> > >>> ip
> > >>> addresses (internal network).
> > >>>
> > >>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am
directly
> > >>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
> > >>>
> > >>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
> > >>
> > >> Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless
> you
> > >> purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice
except
> > >> to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of
port-forwarding
> > >> if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
> > >>
> > >> You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems
> and
> > >> then not have to deal with ports.
> > >>
> > >> You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to
pirated
> > >> media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
> > >> forward ports.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> spam999free@rrohio.com
> > >> remove 999 in order to email me
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>