I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want to
connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that its
always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use EMULE,
and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet, without
the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static ip
addresses (internal network).

I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...

Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?

Router, because you still need to "route" the traffic locally to and from
the Internet. If the firewall is an issue, simply disable it! (if this
isn't available as a direct option, just open all the ports). If you want
to use one of your PCs as a gateway, such as ICS, then you can get away w/ a
plain switch (never use a hub, very inefficient and no cheaper than a
switch, but in a pinch, a hub will work).

Jim


"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
to
> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that its
> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
EMULE,
> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet, without
> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static ip
> addresses (internal network).
>
> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>
> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>
>

I don't even need the modem to be always on.. I can dial up on it from a
computer, cant I do that through a switch?


"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
> to connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
> its always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
> without the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
> static ip addresses (internal network).
>
> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>
> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>
>

In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want to
> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that its
> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use EMULE,
> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet, without
> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static ip
> addresses (internal network).
>
> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>
> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?

Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless you
purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.

You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems and
then not have to deal with ports.

You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
forward ports.

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I dont understand why I need to "route" and not to "switch" lol.....



"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:hbphf.32614$qw.14604@fed1read07...
> Router, because you still need to "route" the traffic locally to and from
> the Internet. If the firewall is an issue, simply disable it! (if this
> isn't available as a direct option, just open all the ports). If you want
> to use one of your PCs as a gateway, such as ICS, then you can get away w/
> a
> plain switch (never use a hub, very inefficient and no cheaper than a
> switch, but in a pinch, a hub will work).
>
> Jim
>
>
> "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
> news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
> to
>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that its
>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> EMULE,
>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet, without
>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static ip
>> addresses (internal network).
>>
>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>
>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>
>>
>
>

Because as someone else mentioned, since you're using local, internally
assigned IPs (e.g., 192.168.x.x), these are meaningless to the outside world
(i.e., Internet). Your ISP typically assigns you ONE external IP address
(e.g., 206.192.1.10) which is only assignable to one network device,
typically your PC's NIC (network card). For the simple, one computer case,
heck, you don't even need a switch or hub either, you just patch the
cable/dsl modem directly to your PC.

But now you want more than one computer to *share* that one external IP,
right? Well the only way to do that is with a router, which will provide NAT
(Network Address Translation) and *map* that one external IP from your ISP,
to the internal IPs you've assigned to your PCs (or optionally use the
router's DHCP service to assign them dynamically). That's why you need the
router.

On the other hand, if you purchase multiple IPs from your ISP, you can get
away w/o the router and just use a switch/hub because every PC is directly
mapped to one of those external IPs. But of course, most people don't
choose this latter option because of the expense. It's much cheaper to
*share* a single external IP which is mapped to the WAN port of the router,
then uses NAT to map them to internal IPs.

Jim


"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
news:OZ7dMYT8FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I dont understand why I need to "route" and not to "switch" lol.....
>
>
>
> "Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
> news:hbphf.32614$qw.14604@fed1read07...
> > Router, because you still need to "route" the traffic locally to and
from
> > the Internet. If the firewall is an issue, simply disable it! (if this
> > isn't available as a direct option, just open all the ports). If you
want
> > to use one of your PCs as a gateway, such as ICS, then you can get away
w/
> > a
> > plain switch (never use a hub, very inefficient and no cheaper than a
> > switch, but in a pinch, a hub will work).
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
> > news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> >> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just
want
> > to
> >> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
its
> >> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
> >> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> > EMULE,
> >> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
without
> >> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static
ip
> >> addresses (internal network).
> >>
> >> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
> >> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
> >>
> >> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

WRONG!

There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you know
about what P2P networks are about.




"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:nmphf.141040$tD4.59916@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com ...
> In article <eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
>> I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>> to
>> connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that its
>> always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>> EMULE,
>> and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet, without
>> the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static ip
>> addresses (internal network).
>>
>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>
>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>
> Since a HUB, Switch, won't let you SHARE the ADSL connection, unless you
> purchase 4 IP for your ADSL service, you don't have much choice except
> to use some form of NAT, which also means some form of port-forwarding
> if you want inbound access from the public to your machines.
>
> You could also purchase additional ADSL lines for your other systems and
> then not have to deal with ports.
>
> You could also stop using P2P sharing programs to get access to pirated
> media, then you could use a simple NAT router without any need to
> forward ports.
>
> --
>
> spam999free@rrohio.com
> remove 999 in order to email me

Get yourself a router that has a switch built into them most are that way now. I use a Motorola
Wirless router that has 4 port wired switch in back, Linksys are the same way. Run ASDL Modem -->
Router --> computers. Follow directions that come with router to setup your home network. Thet are
easy to set up if you read which way the manual suggets.
--
Dave Vair
CNE, CNA, MCP, A+, N+

"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want to connect my ADSL modem
> (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that its always on, and the other computers connect to
> the internet and between themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
> EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet, without the (router, hub,
> switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have static ip addresses (internal network).
>
> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly connected to the internet
> with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>
> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>
>

ADSL modems do not use a "dialing" up method. They are always ON.

You need a ROUTER. You are using static ip adresses (internal network --
private IP address range) and these need to NAT (network address translation)
to public IP addresses. Since most ISPs only provide 1 public IP address to
a personal ADSL service, you will be "charged" for any additional public IP
addresses (or even blocked.)


Do all four PCs require Emule? If only one requires Emule, you could set up a
DMZ (de-militarised zone) port to just that one PC.

BTW: The SP2 firewall is very limited and should only be used as a
"temporary" measure while looking for a better firewall.


Also, please not that a lot a Peer to Peer sharing systems are being
"shutdown" because of all the lawsuits that the media industries are filing.
A few have already closed.



On 24/11/2005 "kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote:
>I don't even need the modem to be always on.. I can dial up on it from a
>computer, cant I do that through a switch?
>
>
>"kenny" <nope@at.all> wrote in message
>news:eGhKmIT8FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>I only want up to 4 computers connected.. I dont need a
>> hardware firewall ( I will use XPSP2 firewall on the pcs) .. I just want
>> to connect my ADSL modem (its just a simple ethernet adsl modem) so that
>> its always on, and the other computers connect to the internet and between
>> themselves (for file and printer sharring). I want to be able to use
>> EMULE, and other programs than need ports open directly to the internet,
>> without the (router, hub, switch) getting in the way. All PCs with have
>> static ip addresses (internal network).
>>
>> I DONT WANT TO FIDDLE WIITH PORTS... I want to be as if I am directly
>> connected to the internet with only the XPSP2 software firewall...
>>
>> Router, hub, switch... whats the best for my situation?
>>
>>
>
>

--
---

Y.

In article <#doB5qT8FHA.2816@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, nope@at.all says...
> WRONG!
>
> There is more to eMule than pirated media.. but I guess thats all you know
> about what P2P networks are about.

Ha Ha Ha - what a bunch of sanctimonious BS. 99% of all that I've seen
with clients, sororities, frats, schools, people's homes, etc.. has all
been so they could get pirated material. In the last 3 years, with all
the P2P apps I've seen, not once have I seen ANYONE use them ethically
all the time. Sure, I'm limited to about 400 cases, in different cities
across the USA, but even with that small sampling I think I have a large
enough experience base to say that P2P apps are not needed by most of
the people that use them, and most of them allow malware a backdoor onto
the users machine without them knowing about it.

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