I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system can
connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?

On 19/12/2005 "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote:
>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system can
>connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>
>

They were offering this as a "beta" version free for download. Lost the
address.

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"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
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>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system can
>connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>
>


Is it not possible to use ICS on a host which becomes the gateway between
the 2 subnets for the 2 WiFi networks? I'd probably use a router which is
always on rather than rely on having a host always on and using Windows with
its ICS as a gateway node.

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there are many wifi connections in the area where I work and 2 of them are free
:-)


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> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
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>>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system can
>>connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>>
>>
>
>
> Is it not possible to use ICS on a host which becomes the gateway between the
> 2 subnets for the 2 WiFi networks? I'd probably use a router which is always
> on rather than rely on having a host always on and using Windows with its ICS
> as a gateway node.
>
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"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
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> there are many wifi connections in the area where I work and 2 of them are
> free
> "Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
> news:eMpH19MBGHA.1040@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
>> news:%238FF6EKBGHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system
>>>can connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>>
>> Is it not possible to use ICS on a host which becomes the gateway between
>> the 2 subnets for the 2 WiFi networks? I'd probably use a router which
>> is always on rather than rely on having a host always on and using
>> Windows with its ICS as a gateway node.


Free WiFi? Sounds like someone didn't lock down the security for their WiFi
so you can abuse it, but that doesn't make it free. If the owners of that
WiFi are just customers of some ISP, they are not allowed to redistribute
their bandwidth (i.e., they are violating the TOS for their ISP). Did you
check with the owners of the other WiFi networks if you have permissions to
use them? Did they check with the ISP that they can redistribute their
bandwidth? Are you going to be legally responsible for any illegal content
found on their hosts (you are part of their network)? Are they going to be
legally responsible for any content on your hosts? How will you prevent
yourself from getting blacklisted when the WiFi owner spews spam, or them
getting blacklisted because you are operating an infected host that has a
trojan mailer spewing spam? Will they be up 24x7? Will they provide a
number to call at any time to report an outage? Do you really want to share
the bandwidth with however many other "customers" they share their bandwidth
(which means your share could get so tiny that dial-up would be faster)?
Are they going to assign a QoS (Quality of Service) level for your network
that connects to theirs so, for example, some huge download they perform
won't end up locking out all other users? All risks and liabilities become
enjoined by all users of the same WiFi network. Are the in a large mesh
network to provide redundancy and large bandwidth in an attempt to provide a
community wide WiFi network, or is this just some joker that is illegally
sharing their ISP via an insecure WiFi setup?

It is unclear (to me) if you are attempting to *share* someone else's WiFi
network or to actually *switch* between them (which, I would think, could
simply be done by defining multiple connectoids in your Network applet in
Control Panel: you disable one connectoid and then enable the other one).
When sharing WiFi, doesn't the strongest one get used (provided they let you
connect)?

Maybe you are talking about P2P WiFi. Most such users are violating the TOS
for their ISPs. It would be easy for just one user to abuse the connection
and get the owner (and all users) killed off by the ISP. Remember that you
are letting the WiFi network owner and any user thereof into your network.
You don't mention HOW the WiFi owner is sharing, selling, or otherwise
making available their bandwidth. Maybe their using
http://www.junxionbox.com/ or some other solution.

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My ISP is wiring up 400 hotspots and is allowing users to have free access for
limited time.
At home and at the office, I have different adsl accounts; which means that I
can either use one account to access the hotspots or both. I am testing to see
whether the speed will be doubled if I use both accounts to access the hotspots.

Over here in this country, adsl connections are slightly better than the 56k
dialup since access are through the respective ISP's proxies (which sucks)

I used to be on a 2.5M connection but have changed it to 512K without any loss
of speed.
I did a test by using both connections to download WinXP SP2 and both downloads
took about the same time, plus minus 15 minutes.


While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that Vanguard wrote in
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> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
> news:OAAAtbOBGHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> there are many wifi connections in the area where I work and 2 of them are
>> free
>> "Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
>> news:eMpH19MBGHA.1040@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%238FF6EKBGHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system can
>>>>connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>>>
>>> Is it not possible to use ICS on a host which becomes the gateway between
>>> the 2 subnets for the 2 WiFi networks? I'd probably use a router which is
>>> always on rather than rely on having a host always on and using Windows with
>>> its ICS as a gateway node.
>
>
> Free WiFi? Sounds like someone didn't lock down the security for their WiFi
> so you can abuse it, but that doesn't make it free. If the owners of that
> WiFi are just customers of some ISP, they are not allowed to redistribute
> their bandwidth (i.e., they are violating the TOS for their ISP). Did you
> check with the owners of the other WiFi networks if you have permissions to
> use them? Did they check with the ISP that they can redistribute their
> bandwidth? Are you going to be legally responsible for any illegal content
> found on their hosts (you are part of their network)? Are they going to be
> legally responsible for any content on your hosts? How will you prevent
> yourself from getting blacklisted when the WiFi owner spews spam, or them
> getting blacklisted because you are operating an infected host that has a
> trojan mailer spewing spam? Will they be up 24x7? Will they provide a number
> to call at any time to report an outage? Do you really want to share the
> bandwidth with however many other "customers" they share their bandwidth
> (which means your share could get so tiny that dial-up would be faster)? Are
> they going to assign a QoS (Quality of Service) level for your network that
> connects to theirs so, for example, some huge download they perform won't end
> up locking out all other users? All risks and liabilities become enjoined by
> all users of the same WiFi network. Are the in a large mesh network to
> provide redundancy and large bandwidth in an attempt to provide a community
> wide WiFi network, or is this just some joker that is illegally sharing their
> ISP via an insecure WiFi setup?
>
> It is unclear (to me) if you are attempting to *share* someone else's WiFi
> network or to actually *switch* between them (which, I would think, could
> simply be done by defining multiple connectoids in your Network applet in
> Control Panel: you disable one connectoid and then enable the other one). When
> sharing WiFi, doesn't the strongest one get used (provided they let you
> connect)?
>
> Maybe you are talking about P2P WiFi. Most such users are violating the TOS
> for their ISPs. It would be easy for just one user to abuse the connection
> and get the owner (and all users) killed off by the ISP. Remember that you
> are letting the WiFi network owner and any user thereof into your network. You
> don't mention HOW the WiFi owner is sharing, selling, or otherwise making
> available their bandwidth. Maybe their using http://www.junxionbox.com/ or
> some other solution.

found the site
http://research.microsoft.com/netres...fi/default.htm

While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that Yves Leclerc wrote in
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> On 19/12/2005 "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote:
>>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system can
>>connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>>
>>
>
> They were offering this as a "beta" version free for download. Lost the
> address.

"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
news:OFR9tVRBGHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> My ISP is wiring up 400 hotspots and is allowing users to have free access
> for limited time.
> At home and at the office, I have different adsl accounts; which means
> that I can either use one account to access the hotspots or both. I am
> testing to see whether the speed will be doubled if I use both accounts to
> access the hotspots.
>
> Over here in this country, adsl connections are slightly better than the
> 56k dialup since access are through the respective ISP's proxies (which
> sucks)
>
> I used to be on a 2.5M connection but have changed it to 512K without any
> loss of speed.
> I did a test by using both connections to download WinXP SP2 and both
> downloads took about the same time, plus minus 15 minutes.
>
>
> While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that Vanguard wrote in
> news:e$8g03OBGHA.3104@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl
>
>
>> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
>> news:OAAAtbOBGHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> there are many wifi connections in the area where I work and 2 of them
>>> are free
>>> "Vanguard" <vanguard.code@comcastNIX.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eMpH19MBGHA.1040@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%238FF6EKBGHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I remembered reading somewhere where MS offer software so that a system
>>>>>can connect to 2 wifi connection at the same time? Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Is it not possible to use ICS on a host which becomes the gateway
>>>> between the 2 subnets for the 2 WiFi networks? I'd probably use a
>>>> router which is always on rather than rely on having a host always on
>>>> and using Windows with its ICS as a gateway node.
>>
>>
>> Free WiFi? Sounds like someone didn't lock down the security for their
>> WiFi so you can abuse it, but that doesn't make it free. If the owners
>> of that WiFi are just customers of some ISP, they are not allowed to
>> redistribute their bandwidth (i.e., they are violating the TOS for their
>> ISP). Did you check with the owners of the other WiFi networks if you
>> have permissions to use them? Did they check with the ISP that they can
>> redistribute their bandwidth? Are you going to be legally responsible
>> for any illegal content found on their hosts (you are part of their
>> network)? Are they going to be legally responsible for any content on
>> your hosts? How will you prevent yourself from getting blacklisted when
>> the WiFi owner spews spam, or them getting blacklisted because you are
>> operating an infected host that has a trojan mailer spewing spam? Will
>> they be up 24x7? Will they provide a number to call at any time to
>> report an outage? Do you really want to share the bandwidth with however
>> many other "customers" they share their bandwidth (which means your share
>> could get so tiny that dial-up would be faster)? Are they going to assign
>> a QoS (Quality of Service) level for your network that connects to theirs
>> so, for example, some huge download they perform won't end up locking out
>> all other users? All risks and liabilities become enjoined by all users
>> of the same WiFi network. Are the in a large mesh network to provide
>> redundancy and large bandwidth in an attempt to provide a community wide
>> WiFi network, or is this just some joker that is illegally sharing their
>> ISP via an insecure WiFi setup?
>>
>> It is unclear (to me) if you are attempting to *share* someone else's
>> WiFi network or to actually *switch* between them (which, I would think,
>> could simply be done by defining multiple connectoids in your Network
>> applet in Control Panel: you disable one connectoid and then enable the
>> other one). When sharing WiFi, doesn't the strongest one get used
>> (provided they let you connect)?
>>
>> Maybe you are talking about P2P WiFi. Most such users are violating the
>> TOS for their ISPs. It would be easy for just one user to abuse the
>> connection and get the owner (and all users) killed off by the ISP.
>> Remember that you are letting the WiFi network owner and any user thereof
>> into your network. You don't mention HOW the WiFi owner is sharing,
>> selling, or otherwise making available their bandwidth. Maybe their
>> using http://www.junxionbox.com/ or some other solution.
>
>
>


There are lots of sporadically distributed WiFi hotspots around. Check
http://www.wififreespot.com/. A Google search will find other such
directories.

I really doubt the ISP will let you make multiple concurrent connects unless
you purchase 2 IP addresses from them (whether dynamic or static). They
will see your are connected and refuse another concurrent connection from
the same IP address (especially to prevent spoofing). You'll end up
switching between the hotspots depending on which one has the stronger
signal at your location. Why would manually switching between hotspot nodes
help rather than just whatever was the strongest one? Imagine the hassle if
you had to do manual switching between nodes for a cell phone.

I have to wonder about the security involved with hotspots. Unless your ISP
requires that you encrypt your connection, anyone else with WiFi that is
sharing the same network could sniff your traffic to get your bank accounts,
credit cards, social security number, and so on. Open WiFi is, well, open
and as such it is an unsecured connection. Make sure your connection is SSL
secured, use a VPN, or something like Jiwire's SpotLock for protection.


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"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
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> found the site
> http://research.microsoft.com/netres...fi/default.htm
>


Check the TOS for your ISP. You will be operating as a gateway between
their network and possible some other ISP's network, and that violates their
TOS. If you don't secure your host, you can also be usurped to function as
a gateway by other users on either network.

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"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message
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> found the site
> http://research.microsoft.com/netres...fi/default.htm


Be very careful when and where you use VirtualWiFi. If this is a work
laptop or any host that you use at work, you are violating their security
model by allowing your host to act as a gateway between an unknown network
to connect *inside* your company's network. This can get you fired! Unless
you let your IT department setup your laptop and never reconfigure it so it
behaves within company policies regarding security, you'll be burnt toast
when discovered that you KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY breached their security.

http://www.wlanblog.com/?p=97

After all, it does come from Microsoft, and everyone knows about Microsoft's
disregard for security.

The malcontents and thieves don't even have to go war driving anymore. They
can just sip coffee while sitting around a hotspot waiting for the boobs
using their new toys that they really don't understand. "Oh, look, another
idiot sending his credit card number. Looks like I can the kids lots of
Xmas presents this year."

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