Chris

Out of six, I have had four fail within a year.. one lasted only three
days.. a visit to a forum re. Maxtor drives showed that I was not alone by a
substantial margin..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:efcwAtvBGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi, been purchasing Maxtor drivers for years. Currently maintain around
> around 150 PC's with them in, only had one failure to date. What's your
> problem?
> ChrisC
> "Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:330FC5ED-50FD-4FF2-9CAE-FE70618C3268@microsoft.com...
>> Mike,
>>
>> Hitachi does not compare to Seagate. So, your point is invalid.
>>
>> "Michael Cecil" wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:26:01 -0800, "Ryan"
>>> <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
>>> >
>>> >Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in
>>> >confidence
>>> >now that Seagate has bought them.
>>>
>>> By that logic, you can now also buy a IBM Deathstar in confidence
>>> because
>>> Hitachi bought them, right? Wrong.
>>> --
>>> Michael Cecil
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
>>>
>
>

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:36:56 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"
<no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:E2F27CC8-ACE3-4F9C-9958-AB8D1329D1F9@microsoft.com...
>> have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
>>
>> Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in confidence
>> now that Seagate has bought them.
>
>Lets just hope that Seagate does not let its drives degenerate to the level
>of Maxtors.
>Maxtors have always sucked...overpriced, hot and they die early deaths due
>to poor quality components.
>

Have had 3 maxtors in my system for years (2 of them are around 5
years old) None of them have had a single problem. My newest drive is
a Seagate. Also had no problems with it and the Seagate came with a 5
year warranty.


>On the other hand, I have a Seagate that came in a Compaq I bought back in
>1987. The drive still works today, and has been used just about
>continuously since the day it was bought. every Maxtor I have ever owned
>have died within 12 to 18 months.
>
>Bobby
>

Chris

What you say is true.. all products have bad times.. Maxtor's problem is
that there are more failures than there should have been.. even their
website suggested that the firmware for some drives may be suspect.. some of
their drives run hot too, apparently down to the physical size properties of
the drives.. if mounted in close proximity to each other, as the fixing in
most cases forces, premature failure is definitely on the cards..

As with all things, if you get a good one, then all is well.. Western
Digital, Hitachi, Fujitsu and IBM (the ubiquitous Death Star) have their
moments of good and bad.. Seagate have not had a particularly good record at
some times in the past, but at the moment, they seem to be top dog in HDD
manufacture..

The failure rate that I experienced is totally unacceptable.. unfortunately,
I have lost track of the forum where many others had similar experiences.. I
will not be using Maxtor again until such time as I see evidence suggesting
that their product line has improved greatly..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OgwD2hwBGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi mike, ok then we beg to difer, you can visit any forum you care to name
> and you'll see bad things written about any product, nature of forums.
> I've also got four in my own PC, two DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 160g's and two
> MaxlineIII 250g's, just installed. I've also worked for a local PC company
> that was a Microsoft Certified Partner, as a technicion, and I don't
> recall any Maxtors failing, plenty of Samsongs' and IBM's. Another myth,
> it seems, is that Maxtors are expensive, however here
> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Maxtor2.html and here
> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Samsung.html indicate that there is
> no difference.
> ChrisC
>
> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OO4GBIwBGHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Chris
>>
>> Out of six, I have had four fail within a year.. one lasted only three
>> days.. a visit to a forum re. Maxtor drives showed that I was not alone
>> by a substantial margin..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:efcwAtvBGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi, been purchasing Maxtor drivers for years. Currently maintain around
>>> around 150 PC's with them in, only had one failure to date. What's your
>>> problem?
>>> ChrisC
>>> "Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:330FC5ED-50FD-4FF2-9CAE-FE70618C3268@microsoft.com...
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Hitachi does not compare to Seagate. So, your point is invalid.
>>>>
>>>> "Michael Cecil" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:26:01 -0800, "Ryan"
>>>>> <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in
>>>>> >confidence
>>>>> >now that Seagate has bought them.
>>>>>
>>>>> By that logic, you can now also buy a IBM Deathstar in confidence
>>>>> because
>>>>> Hitachi bought them, right? Wrong.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Cecil
>>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
>>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Have to agree that all HD mfrs have their on run of bad drives from time to
time.

The only corporate motivation is see for the callusion of Seagate and Maxtor
is profit both short term stocks, and long term production costs. The final
product quality remains to be seen as result of all this.

The OPs comment and implying about current production Maxtor drives suddenly
becoming more quality oriented because of Seagate acquisition is simply
ludicrous.

--
Jonny
"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23tSU5PxBGHA.916@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Chris
>
> What you say is true.. all products have bad times.. Maxtor's problem is
> that there are more failures than there should have been.. even their
> website suggested that the firmware for some drives may be suspect.. some
of
> their drives run hot too, apparently down to the physical size properties
of
> the drives.. if mounted in close proximity to each other, as the fixing in
> most cases forces, premature failure is definitely on the cards..
>
> As with all things, if you get a good one, then all is well.. Western
> Digital, Hitachi, Fujitsu and IBM (the ubiquitous Death Star) have their
> moments of good and bad.. Seagate have not had a particularly good record
at
> some times in the past, but at the moment, they seem to be top dog in HDD
> manufacture..
>
> The failure rate that I experienced is totally unacceptable..
unfortunately,
> I have lost track of the forum where many others had similar experiences..
I
> will not be using Maxtor again until such time as I see evidence
suggesting
> that their product line has improved greatly..
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OgwD2hwBGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Hi mike, ok then we beg to difer, you can visit any forum you care to
name
> > and you'll see bad things written about any product, nature of forums.
> > I've also got four in my own PC, two DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 160g's and
two
> > MaxlineIII 250g's, just installed. I've also worked for a local PC
company
> > that was a Microsoft Certified Partner, as a technicion, and I don't
> > recall any Maxtors failing, plenty of Samsongs' and IBM's. Another myth,
> > it seems, is that Maxtors are expensive, however here
> > http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Maxtor2.html and here
> > http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Samsung.html indicate that there
is
> > no difference.
> > ChrisC
> >
> > "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:OO4GBIwBGHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Out of six, I have had four fail within a year.. one lasted only three
> >> days.. a visit to a forum re. Maxtor drives showed that I was not alone
> >> by a substantial margin..
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mike Hall
> >> MVP - Windows Shell/User
> >>
> >>
> >> "ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:efcwAtvBGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >>> Hi, been purchasing Maxtor drivers for years. Currently maintain
around
> >>> around 150 PC's with them in, only had one failure to date. What's
your
> >>> problem?
> >>> ChrisC
> >>> "Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:330FC5ED-50FD-4FF2-9CAE-FE70618C3268@microsoft.com...
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>>
> >>>> Hitachi does not compare to Seagate. So, your point is invalid.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Michael Cecil" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:26:01 -0800, "Ryan"
> >>>>> <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in
> >>>>> >confidence
> >>>>> >now that Seagate has bought them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> By that logic, you can now also buy a IBM Deathstar in confidence
> >>>>> because
> >>>>> Hitachi bought them, right? Wrong.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Michael Cecil
> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Hi Mike, agreed, fair enough but I for one will as my experiences are quite
the opposite....
ChrisC
"Jonny" <billgates@scampublic.net> wrote in message
news:OHGs2B7BGHA.1144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Have to agree that all HD mfrs have their on run of bad drives from time
> to
> time.
>
> The only corporate motivation is see for the callusion of Seagate and
> Maxtor
> is profit both short term stocks, and long term production costs. The
> final
> product quality remains to be seen as result of all this.
>
> The OPs comment and implying about current production Maxtor drives
> suddenly
> becoming more quality oriented because of Seagate acquisition is simply
> ludicrous.
>
> --
> Jonny
> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23tSU5PxBGHA.916@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Chris
>>
>> What you say is true.. all products have bad times.. Maxtor's problem is
>> that there are more failures than there should have been.. even their
>> website suggested that the firmware for some drives may be suspect.. some
> of
>> their drives run hot too, apparently down to the physical size properties
> of
>> the drives.. if mounted in close proximity to each other, as the fixing
>> in
>> most cases forces, premature failure is definitely on the cards..
>>
>> As with all things, if you get a good one, then all is well.. Western
>> Digital, Hitachi, Fujitsu and IBM (the ubiquitous Death Star) have their
>> moments of good and bad.. Seagate have not had a particularly good record
> at
>> some times in the past, but at the moment, they seem to be top dog in HDD
>> manufacture..
>>
>> The failure rate that I experienced is totally unacceptable..
> unfortunately,
>> I have lost track of the forum where many others had similar
>> experiences..
> I
>> will not be using Maxtor again until such time as I see evidence
> suggesting
>> that their product line has improved greatly..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OgwD2hwBGHA.1088@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi mike, ok then we beg to difer, you can visit any forum you care to
> name
>> > and you'll see bad things written about any product, nature of forums.
>> > I've also got four in my own PC, two DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 160g's and
> two
>> > MaxlineIII 250g's, just installed. I've also worked for a local PC
> company
>> > that was a Microsoft Certified Partner, as a technicion, and I don't
>> > recall any Maxtors failing, plenty of Samsongs' and IBM's. Another
>> > myth,
>> > it seems, is that Maxtors are expensive, however here
>> > http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Maxtor2.html and here
>> > http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Samsung.html indicate that there
> is
>> > no difference.
>> > ChrisC
>> >
>> > "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> > news:OO4GBIwBGHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> Out of six, I have had four fail within a year.. one lasted only three
>> >> days.. a visit to a forum re. Maxtor drives showed that I was not
>> >> alone
>> >> by a substantial margin..
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mike Hall
>> >> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:efcwAtvBGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >>> Hi, been purchasing Maxtor drivers for years. Currently maintain
> around
>> >>> around 150 PC's with them in, only had one failure to date. What's
> your
>> >>> problem?
>> >>> ChrisC
>> >>> "Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:330FC5ED-50FD-4FF2-9CAE-FE70618C3268@microsoft.com...
>> >>>> Mike,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hitachi does not compare to Seagate. So, your point is invalid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Michael Cecil" wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:26:01 -0800, "Ryan"
>> >>>>> <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> >have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in
>> >>>>> >confidence
>> >>>>> >now that Seagate has bought them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> By that logic, you can now also buy a IBM Deathstar in confidence
>> >>>>> because
>> >>>>> Hitachi bought them, right? Wrong.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Michael Cecil
>> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
>> >>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Maxtor (was) the best brand.



"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mikehalll@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OO4GBIwBGHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Chris
>
> Out of six, I have had four fail within a year.. one lasted only three
> days.. a visit to a forum re. Maxtor drives showed that I was not alone by
> a substantial margin..
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "ChrisC" <cuke2u(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:efcwAtvBGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi, been purchasing Maxtor drivers for years. Currently maintain around
>> around 150 PC's with them in, only had one failure to date. What's your
>> problem?
>> ChrisC
>> "Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:330FC5ED-50FD-4FF2-9CAE-FE70618C3268@microsoft.com...
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Hitachi does not compare to Seagate. So, your point is invalid.
>>>
>>> "Michael Cecil" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:26:01 -0800, "Ryan"
>>>> <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
>>>> >
>>>> >Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in
>>>> >confidence
>>>> >now that Seagate has bought them.
>>>>
>>>> By that logic, you can now also buy a IBM Deathstar in confidence
>>>> because
>>>> Hitachi bought them, right? Wrong.
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Cecil
>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
>>>> http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

seagate WAS a good brand a decade ago!... maxtor became far better than
seagate


"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OKFuiLtBGHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "Ryan" <Ryan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E2F27CC8-ACE3-4F9C-9958-AB8D1329D1F9@microsoft.com...
>> have been sold to Seagate for $2 billion dollars.
>>
>> Anyone hesitant about buying one of their drives can now buy in
>> confidence
>> now that Seagate has bought them.
>
> Lets just hope that Seagate does not let its drives degenerate to the
> level of Maxtors.
> Maxtors have always sucked...overpriced, hot and they die early deaths due
> to poor quality components.
>
> On the other hand, I have a Seagate that came in a Compaq I bought back in
> 1987. The drive still works today, and has been used just about
> continuously since the day it was bought. every Maxtor I have ever owned
> have died within 12 to 18 months.
>
> Bobby
>
>

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:03:03 -0500, "Jonny"

>The OPs comment and implying about current production Maxtor drives suddenly
>becoming more quality oriented because of Seagate acquisition is simply
>ludicrous.

Yep - what will happen is that dead Maxtors will be replaced with
Seagates, either new or (more likely) refurbed.

This is what happened when Maxtor bought out Quantum, though it was
clear Maxtor were looking for any excuse to weasel out of honoring
Quantum warranties.

It's impressive that Seagate is extending Maxtor's own 1- or 3-year
warranty to the Seagate 5-year standard, if this is indeed what is
happening. I certainly wouldn't do that if I were Seagate, unless my
success was such that I bought Maxtor as a tax loss opportunity.



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