For the many posts that have expressed frustration I make this
contribution. I too was equally frustrated after spending many hours
attempting to install a new Maxtor SATA drive in my Pavilion 630n (the
original drive failed). After approaching the task from every possible
angle using the 19 years of experience working in the field I resolved
myself to chat online with a HP support technician. The chat session
(partial transcript below) was very enlightening as it revealed that HP
motherboards utilize a proprietary disk management partition. Basically
without the partition you cannot install XP even from the HP System
Recovery CD's (which also do not contain the disk management software).
The end of the matter is if you have a hard disk go bad in an HP
Pavilion you MUST use an HP authorized service center as the disk
management software is not publicly available. So regardless of whether
your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP to have it fixed.
Your other option is to purchase a replacement non-HP motherboard.

Any attempts to install XP (even via the recovery CD's) on a drive
without the disk management partition will result in file copy errors.
At various points during the XP installation the install will hang
indicating that a particular file could not be copied. The end result
is the OS will not load successfully.

Partial HP Transcript:

J: checking hold on
J: it is out of warranty I know that
Ralph S: In that case you may need to take the computer to a nearest
authorized service center.
J: did that and they could not figure it out (Best Buy)
J: about 6 months ago I had a similar problem and they replaced the
main board
J: now I am having the same problem again??
J: are these machines problematic?
Ralph S: You may need to take the computer to a HP Authorized service
provider so that they install a utilities in your computer and resolve
the issue.
J: what utilities? are they not on the restore CD's
Ralph S: No, they can be installed by the authorized service provider.
J: would you suspect the main board it light of the symptoms?
J: it light of it being out of warranty would I be better off just
getting a new machine or main board?
Ralph S: You can get a new motherboard.
J: I have been reading similar problems online with other Pavilion
owners
J: seems like a weak line of machines
J: no real explaination of why this issue repeats itself
J: have you seen this issue with other customers
Ralph S: No we have not seen this issue, this issue happened because
DMI utility is not installed in the new harddisk.
J: the restore CD's don't install the util?
Ralph S: No, they will not install the DMI utility.
J: can I download?
Ralph S: Sorry for the delay.
Ralph S: The utility is not available for download.
J: so basically a hard disk cannot successfuly be installed into an HP
Pavilion without using a service provider
J: because of the DIM util?
Ralph S: Yes. You are correct.
Ralph S: It is a disk management utility.
J: WOW, that stinks - really restricts your customer base wouldn't you
agree?
Ralph S: I do understand. The HP authorized provider can install this
utility in your computer.
J: yeah for $$ - so basically an individual cannot repqir their own
machine when it is out of warranty
Ralph S: yes, it can be rectified you need to install the DMI utility,
however only HP authorized service provider could do it. Once you take
the system to them they would install it.,
J: okay, thx for your candid responses Ralph. It has been very
enlightening yet sad
Ralph S: I understand, However I spoke my supervisor if you are ready
to send the system back to HP, we could install it and send it to you.
Is this fine to you?
J: the whole system or just the hard disk?
Ralph S: We need the whole system without any additional cards you have
installed.
J: what would be the charge?
Ralph S: We would do it free of cost.
Ralph S: Is it fine to you?
J: I am checking since this is my brother-in-laws machine, stand by
Ralph S: Okay.
Ralph S: Jay, are you with me?
J: yes
J: sorry that took so long
J: he is running a business with this machine so he cannot afford the
downtime
J: if I replace the motherboard I should not see this issue any longer
right?
J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards?
Ralph S: Okay. I understand however this is the only option we have ,
so that we could take the system back and work on it to get it perfect.
J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards correct?
Ralph S: Yes, DMI is specific to HP .I would suggest you to consult
with any HP Authorized service provide for replacing the motherboard ,
as they could offer to install the DMI utility with out installing a
new board itself
J: undertood, thx for all your support!

So regardless of whether your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP
to have it fixed.
WHY?? What does warranty cover?? They should provide new hard drive with all
software preloaded. Just like you purchased it!!! Screw HP then!!!!

Most of the tech any more are form India or some place and understand
English well. Thank goodenss it wa online. can't understand their accent
either. Also, they don't know any more that the Tech Documents in fron of
them!!!


"gx4dad@bellsouth.net" wrote:

> For the many posts that have expressed frustration I make this
> contribution. I too was equally frustrated after spending many hours
> attempting to install a new Maxtor SATA drive in my Pavilion 630n (the
> original drive failed). After approaching the task from every possible
> angle using the 19 years of experience working in the field I resolved
> myself to chat online with a HP support technician. The chat session
> (partial transcript below) was very enlightening as it revealed that HP
> motherboards utilize a proprietary disk management partition. Basically
> without the partition you cannot install XP even from the HP System
> Recovery CD's (which also do not contain the disk management software).
> The end of the matter is if you have a hard disk go bad in an HP
> Pavilion you MUST use an HP authorized service center as the disk
> management software is not publicly available. So regardless of whether
> your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP to have it fixed.
> Your other option is to purchase a replacement non-HP motherboard.
>
> Any attempts to install XP (even via the recovery CD's) on a drive
> without the disk management partition will result in file copy errors.
> At various points during the XP installation the install will hang
> indicating that a particular file could not be copied. The end result
> is the OS will not load successfully.
>
> Partial HP Transcript:
>
> J: checking hold on
> J: it is out of warranty I know that
> Ralph S: In that case you may need to take the computer to a nearest
> authorized service center.
> J: did that and they could not figure it out (Best Buy)
> J: about 6 months ago I had a similar problem and they replaced the
> main board
> J: now I am having the same problem again??
> J: are these machines problematic?
> Ralph S: You may need to take the computer to a HP Authorized service
> provider so that they install a utilities in your computer and resolve
> the issue.
> J: what utilities? are they not on the restore CD's
> Ralph S: No, they can be installed by the authorized service provider.
> J: would you suspect the main board it light of the symptoms?
> J: it light of it being out of warranty would I be better off just
> getting a new machine or main board?
> Ralph S: You can get a new motherboard.
> J: I have been reading similar problems online with other Pavilion
> owners
> J: seems like a weak line of machines
> J: no real explaination of why this issue repeats itself
> J: have you seen this issue with other customers
> Ralph S: No we have not seen this issue, this issue happened because
> DMI utility is not installed in the new harddisk.
> J: the restore CD's don't install the util?
> Ralph S: No, they will not install the DMI utility.
> J: can I download?
> Ralph S: Sorry for the delay.
> Ralph S: The utility is not available for download.
> J: so basically a hard disk cannot successfuly be installed into an HP
> Pavilion without using a service provider
> J: because of the DIM util?
> Ralph S: Yes. You are correct.
> Ralph S: It is a disk management utility.
> J: WOW, that stinks - really restricts your customer base wouldn't you
> agree?
> Ralph S: I do understand. The HP authorized provider can install this
> utility in your computer.
> J: yeah for $$ - so basically an individual cannot repqir their own
> machine when it is out of warranty
> Ralph S: yes, it can be rectified you need to install the DMI utility,
> however only HP authorized service provider could do it. Once you take
> the system to them they would install it.,
> J: okay, thx for your candid responses Ralph. It has been very
> enlightening yet sad
> Ralph S: I understand, However I spoke my supervisor if you are ready
> to send the system back to HP, we could install it and send it to you.
> Is this fine to you?
> J: the whole system or just the hard disk?
> Ralph S: We need the whole system without any additional cards you have
> installed.
> J: what would be the charge?
> Ralph S: We would do it free of cost.
> Ralph S: Is it fine to you?
> J: I am checking since this is my brother-in-laws machine, stand by
> Ralph S: Okay.
> Ralph S: Jay, are you with me?
> J: yes
> J: sorry that took so long
> J: he is running a business with this machine so he cannot afford the
> downtime
> J: if I replace the motherboard I should not see this issue any longer
> right?
> J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards?
> Ralph S: Okay. I understand however this is the only option we have ,
> so that we could take the system back and work on it to get it perfect.
> J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards correct?
> Ralph S: Yes, DMI is specific to HP .I would suggest you to consult
> with any HP Authorized service provide for replacing the motherboard ,
> as they could offer to install the DMI utility with out installing a
> new board itself
> J: undertood, thx for all your support!
>
>

I understand your pain and while the costs will be greatly reduced if
your system is still under warranty, you will have to bring it/send it
to an authorized service center in order to have the DMI partition
replaced. If the hard disk is defective they will replace at no charge
and the utils will be loaded. However, if your system is out of
warranty you must go to an authorized service center.

Dixonian69 wrote:
> So regardless of whether your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP
> to have it fixed.
> WHY?? What does warranty cover?? They should provide new hard drive with all
> software preloaded. Just like you purchased it!!! Screw HP then!!!!
>
> Most of the tech any more are form India or some place and understand
> English well. Thank goodenss it wa online. can't understand their accent
> either. Also, they don't know any more that the Tech Documents in fron of
> them!!!
>
>
> "gx4dad@bellsouth.net" wrote:
>
> > For the many posts that have expressed frustration I make this
> > contribution. I too was equally frustrated after spending many hours
> > attempting to install a new Maxtor SATA drive in my Pavilion 630n (the
> > original drive failed). After approaching the task from every possible
> > angle using the 19 years of experience working in the field I resolved
> > myself to chat online with a HP support technician. The chat session
> > (partial transcript below) was very enlightening as it revealed that HP
> > motherboards utilize a proprietary disk management partition. Basically
> > without the partition you cannot install XP even from the HP System
> > Recovery CD's (which also do not contain the disk management software).
> > The end of the matter is if you have a hard disk go bad in an HP
> > Pavilion you MUST use an HP authorized service center as the disk
> > management software is not publicly available. So regardless of whether
> > your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP to have it fixed.
> > Your other option is to purchase a replacement non-HP motherboard.
> >
> > Any attempts to install XP (even via the recovery CD's) on a drive
> > without the disk management partition will result in file copy errors.
> > At various points during the XP installation the install will hang
> > indicating that a particular file could not be copied. The end result
> > is the OS will not load successfully.
> >
> > Partial HP Transcript:
> >
> > J: checking hold on
> > J: it is out of warranty I know that
> > Ralph S: In that case you may need to take the computer to a nearest
> > authorized service center.
> > J: did that and they could not figure it out (Best Buy)
> > J: about 6 months ago I had a similar problem and they replaced the
> > main board
> > J: now I am having the same problem again??
> > J: are these machines problematic?
> > Ralph S: You may need to take the computer to a HP Authorized service
> > provider so that they install a utilities in your computer and resolve
> > the issue.
> > J: what utilities? are they not on the restore CD's
> > Ralph S: No, they can be installed by the authorized service provider.
> > J: would you suspect the main board it light of the symptoms?
> > J: it light of it being out of warranty would I be better off just
> > getting a new machine or main board?
> > Ralph S: You can get a new motherboard.
> > J: I have been reading similar problems online with other Pavilion
> > owners
> > J: seems like a weak line of machines
> > J: no real explaination of why this issue repeats itself
> > J: have you seen this issue with other customers
> > Ralph S: No we have not seen this issue, this issue happened because
> > DMI utility is not installed in the new harddisk.
> > J: the restore CD's don't install the util?
> > Ralph S: No, they will not install the DMI utility.
> > J: can I download?
> > Ralph S: Sorry for the delay.
> > Ralph S: The utility is not available for download.
> > J: so basically a hard disk cannot successfuly be installed into an HP
> > Pavilion without using a service provider
> > J: because of the DIM util?
> > Ralph S: Yes. You are correct.
> > Ralph S: It is a disk management utility.
> > J: WOW, that stinks - really restricts your customer base wouldn't you
> > agree?
> > Ralph S: I do understand. The HP authorized provider can install this
> > utility in your computer.
> > J: yeah for $$ - so basically an individual cannot repqir their own
> > machine when it is out of warranty
> > Ralph S: yes, it can be rectified you need to install the DMI utility,
> > however only HP authorized service provider could do it. Once you take
> > the system to them they would install it.,
> > J: okay, thx for your candid responses Ralph. It has been very
> > enlightening yet sad
> > Ralph S: I understand, However I spoke my supervisor if you are ready
> > to send the system back to HP, we could install it and send it to you.
> > Is this fine to you?
> > J: the whole system or just the hard disk?
> > Ralph S: We need the whole system without any additional cards you have
> > installed.
> > J: what would be the charge?
> > Ralph S: We would do it free of cost.
> > Ralph S: Is it fine to you?
> > J: I am checking since this is my brother-in-laws machine, stand by
> > Ralph S: Okay.
> > Ralph S: Jay, are you with me?
> > J: yes
> > J: sorry that took so long
> > J: he is running a business with this machine so he cannot afford the
> > downtime
> > J: if I replace the motherboard I should not see this issue any longer
> > right?
> > J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards?
> > Ralph S: Okay. I understand however this is the only option we have ,
> > so that we could take the system back and work on it to get it perfect.
> > J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards correct?
> > Ralph S: Yes, DMI is specific to HP .I would suggest you to consult
> > with any HP Authorized service provide for replacing the motherboard ,
> > as they could offer to install the DMI utility with out installing a
> > new board itself
> > J: undertood, thx for all your support!
> >
> >

I don't have a HP!! So I too feel sorry for those that do!!
Still don't understand why there would be 'any' cost invovled if under
warranty, other than driving to the nearest authorized repair dealer!

"gx4dad@bellsouth.net" wrote:

> I understand your pain and while the costs will be greatly reduced if
> your system is still under warranty, you will have to bring it/send it
> to an authorized service center in order to have the DMI partition
> replaced. If the hard disk is defective they will replace at no charge
> and the utils will be loaded. However, if your system is out of
> warranty you must go to an authorized service center.
>
> Dixonian69 wrote:
> > So regardless of whether your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP
> > to have it fixed.
> > WHY?? What does warranty cover?? They should provide new hard drive with all
> > software preloaded. Just like you purchased it!!! Screw HP then!!!!
> >
> > Most of the tech any more are form India or some place and understand
> > English well. Thank goodenss it wa online. can't understand their accent
> > either. Also, they don't know any more that the Tech Documents in fron of
> > them!!!
> >
> >
> > "gx4dad@bellsouth.net" wrote:
> >
> > > For the many posts that have expressed frustration I make this
> > > contribution. I too was equally frustrated after spending many hours
> > > attempting to install a new Maxtor SATA drive in my Pavilion 630n (the
> > > original drive failed). After approaching the task from every possible
> > > angle using the 19 years of experience working in the field I resolved
> > > myself to chat online with a HP support technician. The chat session
> > > (partial transcript below) was very enlightening as it revealed that HP
> > > motherboards utilize a proprietary disk management partition. Basically
> > > without the partition you cannot install XP even from the HP System
> > > Recovery CD's (which also do not contain the disk management software).
> > > The end of the matter is if you have a hard disk go bad in an HP
> > > Pavilion you MUST use an HP authorized service center as the disk
> > > management software is not publicly available. So regardless of whether
> > > your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP to have it fixed.
> > > Your other option is to purchase a replacement non-HP motherboard.
> > >
> > > Any attempts to install XP (even via the recovery CD's) on a drive
> > > without the disk management partition will result in file copy errors.
> > > At various points during the XP installation the install will hang
> > > indicating that a particular file could not be copied. The end result
> > > is the OS will not load successfully.
> > >
> > > Partial HP Transcript:
> > >
> > > J: checking hold on
> > > J: it is out of warranty I know that
> > > Ralph S: In that case you may need to take the computer to a nearest
> > > authorized service center.
> > > J: did that and they could not figure it out (Best Buy)
> > > J: about 6 months ago I had a similar problem and they replaced the
> > > main board
> > > J: now I am having the same problem again??
> > > J: are these machines problematic?
> > > Ralph S: You may need to take the computer to a HP Authorized service
> > > provider so that they install a utilities in your computer and resolve
> > > the issue.
> > > J: what utilities? are they not on the restore CD's
> > > Ralph S: No, they can be installed by the authorized service provider.
> > > J: would you suspect the main board it light of the symptoms?
> > > J: it light of it being out of warranty would I be better off just
> > > getting a new machine or main board?
> > > Ralph S: You can get a new motherboard.
> > > J: I have been reading similar problems online with other Pavilion
> > > owners
> > > J: seems like a weak line of machines
> > > J: no real explaination of why this issue repeats itself
> > > J: have you seen this issue with other customers
> > > Ralph S: No we have not seen this issue, this issue happened because
> > > DMI utility is not installed in the new harddisk.
> > > J: the restore CD's don't install the util?
> > > Ralph S: No, they will not install the DMI utility.
> > > J: can I download?
> > > Ralph S: Sorry for the delay.
> > > Ralph S: The utility is not available for download.
> > > J: so basically a hard disk cannot successfuly be installed into an HP
> > > Pavilion without using a service provider
> > > J: because of the DIM util?
> > > Ralph S: Yes. You are correct.
> > > Ralph S: It is a disk management utility.
> > > J: WOW, that stinks - really restricts your customer base wouldn't you
> > > agree?
> > > Ralph S: I do understand. The HP authorized provider can install this
> > > utility in your computer.
> > > J: yeah for $$ - so basically an individual cannot repqir their own
> > > machine when it is out of warranty
> > > Ralph S: yes, it can be rectified you need to install the DMI utility,
> > > however only HP authorized service provider could do it. Once you take
> > > the system to them they would install it.,
> > > J: okay, thx for your candid responses Ralph. It has been very
> > > enlightening yet sad
> > > Ralph S: I understand, However I spoke my supervisor if you are ready
> > > to send the system back to HP, we could install it and send it to you.
> > > Is this fine to you?
> > > J: the whole system or just the hard disk?
> > > Ralph S: We need the whole system without any additional cards you have
> > > installed.
> > > J: what would be the charge?
> > > Ralph S: We would do it free of cost.
> > > Ralph S: Is it fine to you?
> > > J: I am checking since this is my brother-in-laws machine, stand by
> > > Ralph S: Okay.
> > > Ralph S: Jay, are you with me?
> > > J: yes
> > > J: sorry that took so long
> > > J: he is running a business with this machine so he cannot afford the
> > > downtime
> > > J: if I replace the motherboard I should not see this issue any longer
> > > right?
> > > J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards?
> > > Ralph S: Okay. I understand however this is the only option we have ,
> > > so that we could take the system back and work on it to get it perfect.
> > > J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards correct?
> > > Ralph S: Yes, DMI is specific to HP .I would suggest you to consult
> > > with any HP Authorized service provide for replacing the motherboard ,
> > > as they could offer to install the DMI utility with out installing a
> > > new board itself
> > > J: undertood, thx for all your support!
> > >
> > >
>
>

They are probably doing what Ford did on my Ranger a few years ago when the
paint all started coming off. They would repaint only those panels where
the paint had already come off, derate the cost in proportion to how much
use (time I had the car) and then pay just so much to cover the paint job,
but only if I had it done at the Ford dealer. In the event, they would have
paid about 1/4 the cost of the job.

Just as for a car battery, the warranty is derated based upon the amount of
warranty time that has elapsed. Reminds me of what the symbolic logic prof
pointed out about warranty language--it means that they promise to do
whatever it is they want to do.

Joe
"Dixonian69" <Dixonian69@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5F3F58FB-113C-4E86-BE7E-7201B33CCDB9@microsoft.com...
> I don't have a HP!! So I too feel sorry for those that do!!
> Still don't understand why there would be 'any' cost invovled if under
> warranty, other than driving to the nearest authorized repair dealer!
>
> "gx4dad@bellsouth.net" wrote:
>
> > I understand your pain and while the costs will be greatly reduced if
> > your system is still under warranty, you will have to bring it/send it
> > to an authorized service center in order to have the DMI partition
> > replaced. If the hard disk is defective they will replace at no charge
> > and the utils will be loaded. However, if your system is out of
> > warranty you must go to an authorized service center.
> >
> > Dixonian69 wrote:
> > > So regardless of whether your system is under warranty or not you must
pay HP
> > > to have it fixed.
> > > WHY?? What does warranty cover?? They should provide new hard drive
with all
> > > software preloaded. Just like you purchased it!!! Screw HP then!!!!
> > >
> > > Most of the tech any more are form India or some place and understand
> > > English well. Thank goodenss it wa online. can't understand their
accent
> > > either. Also, they don't know any more that the Tech Documents in fron
of
> > > them!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > "gx4dad@bellsouth.net" wrote:
> > >
> > > > For the many posts that have expressed frustration I make this
> > > > contribution. I too was equally frustrated after spending many hours
> > > > attempting to install a new Maxtor SATA drive in my Pavilion 630n
(the
> > > > original drive failed). After approaching the task from every
possible
> > > > angle using the 19 years of experience working in the field I
resolved
> > > > myself to chat online with a HP support technician. The chat session
> > > > (partial transcript below) was very enlightening as it revealed that
HP
> > > > motherboards utilize a proprietary disk management partition.
Basically
> > > > without the partition you cannot install XP even from the HP System
> > > > Recovery CD's (which also do not contain the disk management
software).
> > > > The end of the matter is if you have a hard disk go bad in an HP
> > > > Pavilion you MUST use an HP authorized service center as the disk
> > > > management software is not publicly available. So regardless of
whether
> > > > your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP to have it
fixed.
> > > > Your other option is to purchase a replacement non-HP motherboard.
> > > >
> > > > Any attempts to install XP (even via the recovery CD's) on a drive
> > > > without the disk management partition will result in file copy
errors.
> > > > At various points during the XP installation the install will hang
> > > > indicating that a particular file could not be copied. The end
result
> > > > is the OS will not load successfully.
> > > >
> > > > Partial HP Transcript:
> > > >
> > > > J: checking hold on
> > > > J: it is out of warranty I know that
> > > > Ralph S: In that case you may need to take the computer to a nearest
> > > > authorized service center.
> > > > J: did that and they could not figure it out (Best Buy)
> > > > J: about 6 months ago I had a similar problem and they replaced the
> > > > main board
> > > > J: now I am having the same problem again??
> > > > J: are these machines problematic?
> > > > Ralph S: You may need to take the computer to a HP Authorized
service
> > > > provider so that they install a utilities in your computer and
resolve
> > > > the issue.
> > > > J: what utilities? are they not on the restore CD's
> > > > Ralph S: No, they can be installed by the authorized service
provider.
> > > > J: would you suspect the main board it light of the symptoms?
> > > > J: it light of it being out of warranty would I be better off just
> > > > getting a new machine or main board?
> > > > Ralph S: You can get a new motherboard.
> > > > J: I have been reading similar problems online with other Pavilion
> > > > owners
> > > > J: seems like a weak line of machines
> > > > J: no real explaination of why this issue repeats itself
> > > > J: have you seen this issue with other customers
> > > > Ralph S: No we have not seen this issue, this issue happened because
> > > > DMI utility is not installed in the new harddisk.
> > > > J: the restore CD's don't install the util?
> > > > Ralph S: No, they will not install the DMI utility.
> > > > J: can I download?
> > > > Ralph S: Sorry for the delay.
> > > > Ralph S: The utility is not available for download.
> > > > J: so basically a hard disk cannot successfuly be installed into an
HP
> > > > Pavilion without using a service provider
> > > > J: because of the DIM util?
> > > > Ralph S: Yes. You are correct.
> > > > Ralph S: It is a disk management utility.
> > > > J: WOW, that stinks - really restricts your customer base wouldn't
you
> > > > agree?
> > > > Ralph S: I do understand. The HP authorized provider can install
this
> > > > utility in your computer.
> > > > J: yeah for $$ - so basically an individual cannot repqir their own
> > > > machine when it is out of warranty
> > > > Ralph S: yes, it can be rectified you need to install the DMI
utility,
> > > > however only HP authorized service provider could do it. Once you
take
> > > > the system to them they would install it.,
> > > > J: okay, thx for your candid responses Ralph. It has been very
> > > > enlightening yet sad
> > > > Ralph S: I understand, However I spoke my supervisor if you are
ready
> > > > to send the system back to HP, we could install it and send it to
you.
> > > > Is this fine to you?
> > > > J: the whole system or just the hard disk?
> > > > Ralph S: We need the whole system without any additional cards you
have
> > > > installed.
> > > > J: what would be the charge?
> > > > Ralph S: We would do it free of cost.
> > > > Ralph S: Is it fine to you?
> > > > J: I am checking since this is my brother-in-laws machine, stand by
> > > > Ralph S: Okay.
> > > > Ralph S: Jay, are you with me?
> > > > J: yes
> > > > J: sorry that took so long
> > > > J: he is running a business with this machine so he cannot afford
the
> > > > downtime
> > > > J: if I replace the motherboard I should not see this issue any
longer
> > > > right?
> > > > J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards?
> > > > Ralph S: Okay. I understand however this is the only option we have
,
> > > > so that we could take the system back and work on it to get it
perfect.
> > > > J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards correct?
> > > > Ralph S: Yes, DMI is specific to HP .I would suggest you to consult
> > > > with any HP Authorized service provide for replacing the motherboard
,
> > > > as they could offer to install the DMI utility with out installing a
> > > > new board itself
> > > > J: undertood, thx for all your support!
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >

I have an HP Pavilion too. I'm not sure yours is the same situation as mine
but will tell about it just in case. Mine had a hidden partition where the
recovery image was stored. It was a pain in the butt and because it had a
modified boot sector caused me lots of problems. Every time I had to go to
HP for help, I got a similar story as you ($$). Eventually I gave up,
bought me a new bigger hard drive, a retail copy of Windows XP Home and
elimiated the HP setup. I just installed the new hard drive and did a
clean installation of XP. It was the best thing I ever did. There
wasn't anything unique about my motherboard. There weren't any special
drivers required as they warned. It has been a great machine ever since
then.

Dave

<gx4dad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1135975754.391979.97370@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> For the many posts that have expressed frustration I make this
> contribution. I too was equally frustrated after spending many hours
> attempting to install a new Maxtor SATA drive in my Pavilion 630n (the
> original drive failed). After approaching the task from every possible
> angle using the 19 years of experience working in the field I resolved
> myself to chat online with a HP support technician. The chat session
> (partial transcript below) was very enlightening as it revealed that HP
> motherboards utilize a proprietary disk management partition. Basically
> without the partition you cannot install XP even from the HP System
> Recovery CD's (which also do not contain the disk management software).
> The end of the matter is if you have a hard disk go bad in an HP
> Pavilion you MUST use an HP authorized service center as the disk
> management software is not publicly available. So regardless of whether
> your system is under warranty or not you must pay HP to have it fixed.
> Your other option is to purchase a replacement non-HP motherboard.
>
> Any attempts to install XP (even via the recovery CD's) on a drive
> without the disk management partition will result in file copy errors.
> At various points during the XP installation the install will hang
> indicating that a particular file could not be copied. The end result
> is the OS will not load successfully.
>
> Partial HP Transcript:
>
> J: checking hold on
> J: it is out of warranty I know that
> Ralph S: In that case you may need to take the computer to a nearest
> authorized service center.
> J: did that and they could not figure it out (Best Buy)
> J: about 6 months ago I had a similar problem and they replaced the
> main board
> J: now I am having the same problem again??
> J: are these machines problematic?
> Ralph S: You may need to take the computer to a HP Authorized service
> provider so that they install a utilities in your computer and resolve
> the issue.
> J: what utilities? are they not on the restore CD's
> Ralph S: No, they can be installed by the authorized service provider.
> J: would you suspect the main board it light of the symptoms?
> J: it light of it being out of warranty would I be better off just
> getting a new machine or main board?
> Ralph S: You can get a new motherboard.
> J: I have been reading similar problems online with other Pavilion
> owners
> J: seems like a weak line of machines
> J: no real explaination of why this issue repeats itself
> J: have you seen this issue with other customers
> Ralph S: No we have not seen this issue, this issue happened because
> DMI utility is not installed in the new harddisk.
> J: the restore CD's don't install the util?
> Ralph S: No, they will not install the DMI utility.
> J: can I download?
> Ralph S: Sorry for the delay.
> Ralph S: The utility is not available for download.
> J: so basically a hard disk cannot successfuly be installed into an HP
> Pavilion without using a service provider
> J: because of the DIM util?
> Ralph S: Yes. You are correct.
> Ralph S: It is a disk management utility.
> J: WOW, that stinks - really restricts your customer base wouldn't you
> agree?
> Ralph S: I do understand. The HP authorized provider can install this
> utility in your computer.
> J: yeah for $$ - so basically an individual cannot repqir their own
> machine when it is out of warranty
> Ralph S: yes, it can be rectified you need to install the DMI utility,
> however only HP authorized service provider could do it. Once you take
> the system to them they would install it.,
> J: okay, thx for your candid responses Ralph. It has been very
> enlightening yet sad
> Ralph S: I understand, However I spoke my supervisor if you are ready
> to send the system back to HP, we could install it and send it to you.
> Is this fine to you?
> J: the whole system or just the hard disk?
> Ralph S: We need the whole system without any additional cards you have
> installed.
> J: what would be the charge?
> Ralph S: We would do it free of cost.
> Ralph S: Is it fine to you?
> J: I am checking since this is my brother-in-laws machine, stand by
> Ralph S: Okay.
> Ralph S: Jay, are you with me?
> J: yes
> J: sorry that took so long
> J: he is running a business with this machine so he cannot afford the
> downtime
> J: if I replace the motherboard I should not see this issue any longer
> right?
> J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards?
> Ralph S: Okay. I understand however this is the only option we have ,
> so that we could take the system back and work on it to get it perfect.
> J: the DMI util is specific to HP system boards correct?
> Ralph S: Yes, DMI is specific to HP .I would suggest you to consult
> with any HP Authorized service provide for replacing the motherboard ,
> as they could offer to install the DMI utility with out installing a
> new board itself
> J: undertood, thx for all your support!
>