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Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


"Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:225C022D-1CDA-42DC-BF66-8BC43C90C4C3@microsoft.com...
> Hi Graham,
>
> I'm getting 22 minutes of footage on a 4.7 Gb file. That over 1Gb for
> every
> 5 mins - half what I indicated before but still hugh.
> The only way I could play the file back throught the TV was to convert an
> AVI file to a VOB format using NeoDvd software. I saved this to a DVD-r.
> The
> grainyness in the AVI file viewed on the PC does not appear in the VOB
> video
> format when run back through the telly. I dont understand fully what
> progressive and interlacing mean. Where can I find out more on this ?

A normal picture is made up of two sets of lines, odd and even, so the tv
displays all the even lines and tehn all the odd lines. This is so fast the
naked eye can't tell, but actually makes the picture appear to run more
smoothly. Try this site, http://www.adamwilt.com/
>
> The VOB is more compressed. I estimate that I could get 75 to 80 mins on a
> 4.7Gb DVD.
The more you put on the lower the quality, thre wil come a point when you
decide the amount of data stored meets the lowest quality you want. A real
good encoder would fit many hours on one dvd, but whether you would classify
it as watchable is a different matter


I want to convert and store large amounts of analogue video as
> source material for editing home movies featuring different people in the
> family. The VOB file is more compressed but is it converabile back to AVI
> for
> editing and is there quality loss.

Each compression will result in quality loss. If you've ever worked on still
pictures, when you save a jpeg it compresses the file and you get a smaller
version. If you work on this jpeg and save it as a jpeg again it will
recompress teh file and it will lose quality and get a fraction smaller, the
more you do it the worse the quality gets. It's the same with mpegs.

Graham

>
> Thanks
>
> Garry
>
>
> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>
>> It's converting the file to a dv-avi file, which is that big.
>> After capturing to the tv, do a little edit, and send back to the cam and
>> play on the tv. This is the only way to test it, as the video is
>> interlaced
>> and the pc doesn't show interlaced, so you may get horizontal banding, as
>> it
>> shows two lines at once instead of alternate ones. WMV files are
>> progressive, not interlced so will look better on pc, but worse on tv.
>>
>> --
>> Graham Hughes
>> MVP Digital Media
>> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
>> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> www.simplydv.com
>>
>>
>> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FBDD490C-9BE8-446C-B5E5-70DC813586B5@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi Graham,
>> > The Miglia unit arrived in the post today and I've run some old vhs
>> > video
>> > through it and captured it on wmm2 as an avi file. The file sizes are
>> > hugh.
>> > Every 5 minutes of footage takes over 2GB. I can buy more storage but
>> > the
>> > quality of the files is still not what I'd like. Compared to the wwv
>> > files
>> > I
>> > created previously the picture is sharper particularly in lower light
>> > scenes
>> > but the the picture is still has a horizontal grainyness. At times
>> > colours
>> > blend and the sound goes warbled. Is there any adjustments I can make
>> > to
>> > increase the quality.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Garry
>> >
>> >
>> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> >
>> >> No, the take 2 is a newer product and I didn't do too much research on
>> >> the
>> >> links. It should be great, Colin is a very honest reviewer.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Graham Hughes
>> >> MVP Digital Media
>> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
>> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> www.simplydv.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:3D10F652-7CD2-499D-B600-EB745048ABB5@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi Graham,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for those recomendations. I've checked out the websites and
>> >> > they
>> >> > sound the business. I'm going to buy a "Take 2" device. The scart
>> >> > version
>> >> > of
>> >> > this is quoted at nearly a ?100 cheaper at ?293.75. Although both
>> >> > versions
>> >> > get a 5 out of 5 rating in the SimplyDV review. I can't think of any
>> >> > disadvantage of using the scart. Even if using a non scart input
>> >> > this
>> >> > can
>> >> > be
>> >> > converted with an inexpensive adaptor. Am I missing something ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Will let you know how I get on.
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Garry
>> >> >
>> >> > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hello, just popping in
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a
>> >> >> convertor
>> >> >> which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a
>> >> >> firewire
>> >> >> connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc,
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync.
>> >> >> When
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> capture them seperately the video card often processes the video
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock
>> >> >> cycles
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> end
>> >> >> up with audio drift over time.
>> >> >> If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
>> >> >> Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> only two options to get the quality you say you want.
>> >> >> http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/product..._selection.asp
>> >> >> http://www.miglia.com/products/video...or2/index.html
>> >> >> http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue
>> >> >> in.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Graham Hughes
>> >> >> MVP Digital Media
>> >> >> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
>> >> >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> >> www.simplydv.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Wojo" <[REMOVE]wojos_web@[REMOVE]verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:WxY6f.7286$hP6.5494@trnddc05...
>> >> >> > Hi Garry
>> >> >> > I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog
>> >> >> > myself
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > am
>> >> >> > not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will
>> >> >> > chime
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > here
>> >> >> > as this is more his area than mine.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle.
>> >> >> > It
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via
>> >> >> > firewire
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and
>> >> >> > convert
>> >> >> > them
>> >> >> > to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > name of it slips my mind at the moment.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI
>> >> >> > using
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > USB
>> >> >> > connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not
>> >> >> > sure
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > either Graham or papajohn can.
>> >> >> > -Wojo
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:84017863-3E5E-41FD-971A-B889E3252EDE@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> Hi Wojo,
>> >> >> >> Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you
>> >> >> >> presented
>> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> I'm still having difficulty.
>> >> >> >> 1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> input
>> >> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> analogue signal.
>> >> >> >> 2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell
>> >> >> >> external
>> >> >> >> devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> USB
>> >> >> >> connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> internal
>> >> >> >> cards.
>> >> >> >> 3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> file
>> >> >> >> is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are
>> >> >> >> reasonable
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> small inset but are very poor in full screen.
>> >> >> >> My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the
>> >> >> >> analogue
>> >> >> >> signal.
>> >> >> >> The second option is I think still the best option.
>> >> >> >> Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to
>> >> >> >> import
>> >> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> AVI
>> >> >> >> file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could
>> >> >> >> explain
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Hauppage poor AVI quality.
>> >> >> >> Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI
>> >> >> >> external
>> >> >> >> device
>> >> >> >> ?
>> >> >> >> In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Can you shed any further insights.
>> >> >> >> Thanks again
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Garry
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Wojo" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Hi Garry,
>> >> >> >>> Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a
>> >> >> >>> USB
>> >> >> >>> connection.
>> >> >> >>> So you really have three choices here.
>> >> >> >>> 1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
>> >> >> >>> pass-through
>> >> >> >>> and hook the VCR to that.
>> >> >> >>> 2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the
>> >> >> >>> computer.
>> >> >> >>> 3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert
>> >> >> >>> that
>> >> >> >>> file
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> AVI.
>> >> >> >>> Hope that helps.
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Wojo's Place:
>> >> >> >>> http://wojos-web.tk
>> >> >> >>> Also Please visit.....
>> >> >> >>> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>> >> >> >>> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:4D0DC491-CBB1-41A1-96CD-9B4AE262F56C@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >>> > Hi,
>> >> >> >>> > The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am
>> >> >> >>> > having a
>> >> >> >>> > problem
>> >> >> >>> > converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI.
>> >> >> >>> > The
>> >> >> >>> > MM2
>> >> >> >>> > screen
>> >> >> >>> > greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It
>> >> >> >>> > allows
>> >> >> >>> > conversion
>> >> >> >>> > to
>> >> >> >>> > wmv but the quality is very poor.
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV
>> >> >> >>> > USB
>> >> >> >>> > connection.
>> >> >> >>> > I
>> >> >> >>> > read on the papajohn site that
>> >> >> >>> > "The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to
>> >> >> >>> > MPEG-2
>> >> >> >>> > files. As
>> >> >> >>> > Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a
>> >> >> >>> > good
>> >> >> >>> > choice
>> >> >> >>> > if
>> >> >> >>> > you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one
>> >> >> >>> > already,
>> >> >> >>> > you
>> >> >> >>> > can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align
>> >> >> >>> > with
>> >> >> >>> > Movie
>> >> >> >>> > Maker. "
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB
>> >> >> >>> > capture
>> >> >> >>> > device
>> >> >> >>> > ? Is
>> >> >> >>> > there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable
>> >> >> >>> > usb
>> >> >> >>> > device
>> >> >> >>> > ?
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Hope you can help.
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > Garry
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > "Wojo" wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >> Awesome, Happy editing!
>> >> >> >>> >> -Wojo
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> >> news:F61E0CB7-46A7-4818-B9F1-4923C1C5D3C9@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> > thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
>> >> >> >>> >> > degefu
>> >> >> >>> >> > "Wojo" wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works
>> >> >> >>> >> >> for
>> >> >> >>> >> >> analog
>> >> >> >>> >> >> capture
>> >> >> >>> >> >> but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your
>> >> >> >>> >> >> video
>> >> >> >>> >> >> into
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Movie
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Maker
>> >> >> >>> >> >> then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the
>> >> >> >>> >> >> file
>> >> >> >>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >>> >> >> AVI
>> >> >> >>> >> >> file.
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion
>> >> >> >>> >> >> go
>> >> >> >>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >>> >> >> this
>> >> >> >>> >> >> site:
>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://www.videohelp.com/convert
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Hope that helps.
>> >> >> >>> >> >> --
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Wojo's Place:
>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://wojos-web.tk
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Also Please visit.....
>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >>> >> >> message
>> >> >> >>> >> >> news:CD0DF301-7958-42AE-983A-84064F767678@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >>> >> >> >