Re: Capturing Analog Video

Hi,
The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a problem
converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2 screen
greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows conversion to
wmv but the quality is very poor.

I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB connection. I
read on the papajohn site that
"The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files. As
Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice if
you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already, you
can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
Maker. "

Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ? Is
there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?

Hope you can help.


Garry

"Wojo" wrote:

> Awesome, Happy editing!
> -Wojo
>
> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F61E0CB7-46A7-4818-B9F1-4923C1C5D3C9@microsoft.com...
> >
> > thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
> > degefu
> > "Wojo" wrote:
> >
> >> Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
> >> capture
> >> but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
> >> Maker
> >> then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
> >> file.
> >> Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
> >> site:
> >> http://www.videohelp.com/convert
> >> Hope that helps.
> >> --
> >> Wojo's Place:
> >> http://wojos-web.tk
> >> Also Please visit.....
> >> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
> >> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
> >>
> >>
> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:CD0DF301-7958-42AE-983A-84064F767678@microsoft.com...
> >> >
> >> > hello Cari,
> >> > thanks for replying to my post...
> >> > i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer has,
> >> > but
> >> > i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
> >> > coundn't
> >> > be
> >> > able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was captured
> >> > is
> >> > not
> >> > the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
> >> > thanks for ur help again
> >> > degefu
> >> > "Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
> >> >> kind
> >> >> of
> >> >> software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
> >> >> PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
> >> >> work
> >> >> fine.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Cari (MS-MVP)
> >> >> Printing & Imaging
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:BEDF0775-2276-4D96-8EB3-5164EDA665AD@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > helloGrham,
> >> >> > i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my movie
> >> >> > maker
> >> >> > but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
> >> >> > device
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
> >> >> > again". i
> >> >> > tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
> >> >> > degefu
> >> >> > "cmsoule" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Thanks Graham! I hope this works...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Basics then.
> >> >> >> > Ensure all other apps are off, include
> >> >> >> > firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc etc..
> >> >> >> > Defrag before capture.
> >> >> >> > Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
> >> >> >> > Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the o/s.
> >> >> >> > Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see this
> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > hi8
> >> >> >> > tape
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Graham
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Graham Hughes
> >> >> >> > MVP Digital Media
> >> >> >> > www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> >> >> > www.simplydv.com
> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:9A14415C-2A1E-47E0-9F78-20B222E8C72E@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > > Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is hard
> >> >> >> > > to
> >> >> >> > > explain
> >> >> >> > > but
> >> >> >> > > while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
> >> >> >> > > picture
> >> >> >> > > kind
> >> >> >> > > of
> >> >> >> > > fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
> >> >> >> > > actually.
> >> >> >> > > The
> >> >> >> > > weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
> >> >> >> > > VHS..both
> >> >> >> > > about an
> >> >> >> > > hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was perfect
> >> >> >> > > and
> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> > > other
> >> >> >> > > had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
> >> >> >> > > week,
> >> >> >> > > I
> >> >> >> > > was
> >> >> >> > > capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
> >> >> >> > > (but
> >> >> >> > > I
> >> >> >> > > didn't
> >> >> >> > > go
> >> >> >> > > as far as putting it on a DVD).
> >> >> >> > > I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8 tape
> >> >> >> > > play
> >> >> >> > > perfect
> >> >> >> > > inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr? I
> >> >> >> > > only
> >> >> >> > > see the
> >> >> >> > > lines when I'm capturing the video???
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > "Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >> Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this is
> >> >> >> > >> normal
> >> >> >> > >> analogue
> >> >> >> > >> picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
> >> >> >> > >> Graham
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> > >> Graham Hughes
> >> >> >> > >> MVP
> >> >> >> > >> www.simplydv.co.uk
> >> >> >> > >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > >> news:3E8FE6B1-A8E3-4EB8-8FFC-9027F31EDC6A@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > >> > I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media Center.
> >> >> >> > >> > I
> >> >> >> > >> > am
> >> >> >> > >> > getting
> >> >> >> > >> poor
> >> >> >> > >> > picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing an
> >> >> >> > >> > analog
> >> >> >> > >> > signal
> >> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> >> > >> > my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
> >> >> >> > >> > (VHS)
> >> >> >> > >> > or
> >> >> >> > >> > my
> >> >> >> > >> > Hi-8
> >> >> >> > >> > video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
> >> >> >> > >> > Movie
> >> >> >> > >> > Maker
> >> >> >> > >> software.
> >> >> >> > >> > I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
> >> >> >> > >> > software
> >> >> >> > >> > supported
> >> >> >> > >> > analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Hi Garry,
Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB connection.
So you really have three choices here.
1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows pass-through
and hook the VCR to that.
2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file to
AVI.
Hope that helps.
--
Wojo's Place:
http://wojos-web.tk
Also Please visit.....
http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee

"Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4D0DC491-CBB1-41A1-96CD-9B4AE262F56C@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a problem
> converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2 screen
> greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows conversion
> to
> wmv but the quality is very poor.
>
> I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB connection.
> I
> read on the papajohn site that
> "The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files. As
> Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice if
> you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already, you
> can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
> Maker. "
>
> Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ? Is
> there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?
>
> Hope you can help.
>
>
> Garry
>
> "Wojo" wrote:
>
>> Awesome, Happy editing!
>> -Wojo
>>
>> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F61E0CB7-46A7-4818-B9F1-4923C1C5D3C9@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
>> > degefu
>> > "Wojo" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
>> >> capture
>> >> but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
>> >> Maker
>> >> then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
>> >> file.
>> >> Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
>> >> site:
>> >> http://www.videohelp.com/convert
>> >> Hope that helps.
>> >> --
>> >> Wojo's Place:
>> >> http://wojos-web.tk
>> >> Also Please visit.....
>> >> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>> >> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:CD0DF301-7958-42AE-983A-84064F767678@microsoft.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > hello Cari,
>> >> > thanks for replying to my post...
>> >> > i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer
>> >> > has,
>> >> > but
>> >> > i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
>> >> > coundn't
>> >> > be
>> >> > able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
>> >> > captured
>> >> > is
>> >> > not
>> >> > the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
>> >> > thanks for ur help again
>> >> > degefu
>> >> > "Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
>> >> >> kind
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
>> >> >> PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
>> >> >> work
>> >> >> fine.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Cari (MS-MVP)
>> >> >> Printing & Imaging
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:BEDF0775-2276-4D96-8EB3-5164EDA665AD@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > helloGrham,
>> >> >> > i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
>> >> >> > movie
>> >> >> > maker
>> >> >> > but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
>> >> >> > device
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
>> >> >> > again". i
>> >> >> > tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
>> >> >> > degefu
>> >> >> > "cmsoule" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Thanks Graham! I hope this works...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > Basics then.
>> >> >> >> > Ensure all other apps are off, include
>> >> >> >> > firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
>> >> >> >> > etc..
>> >> >> >> > Defrag before capture.
>> >> >> >> > Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
>> >> >> >> > Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
>> >> >> >> > o/s.
>> >> >> >> > Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see
>> >> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > hi8
>> >> >> >> > tape
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Graham
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Graham Hughes
>> >> >> >> > MVP Digital Media
>> >> >> >> > www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> >> >> > www.simplydv.com
>> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:9A14415C-2A1E-47E0-9F78-20B222E8C72E@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > > Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is
>> >> >> >> > > hard
>> >> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> >> > > explain
>> >> >> >> > > but
>> >> >> >> > > while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
>> >> >> >> > > picture
>> >> >> >> > > kind
>> >> >> >> > > of
>> >> >> >> > > fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
>> >> >> >> > > actually.
>> >> >> >> > > The
>> >> >> >> > > weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
>> >> >> >> > > VHS..both
>> >> >> >> > > about an
>> >> >> >> > > hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
>> >> >> >> > > perfect
>> >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> >> > > other
>> >> >> >> > > had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
>> >> >> >> > > week,
>> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> > > was
>> >> >> >> > > capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
>> >> >> >> > > (but
>> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> > > didn't
>> >> >> >> > > go
>> >> >> >> > > as far as putting it on a DVD).
>> >> >> >> > > I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
>> >> >> >> > > tape
>> >> >> >> > > play
>> >> >> >> > > perfect
>> >> >> >> > > inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr?
>> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> > > only
>> >> >> >> > > see the
>> >> >> >> > > lines when I'm capturing the video???
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > "Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >> Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this
>> >> >> >> > >> is
>> >> >> >> > >> normal
>> >> >> >> > >> analogue
>> >> >> >> > >> picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
>> >> >> >> > >> Graham
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> --
>> >> >> >> > >> Graham Hughes
>> >> >> >> > >> MVP
>> >> >> >> > >> www.simplydv.co.uk
>> >> >> >> > >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> > >> message
>> >> >> >> > >> news:3E8FE6B1-A8E3-4EB8-8FFC-9027F31EDC6A@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > >> > I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
>> >> >> >> > >> > Center.
>> >> >> >> > >> > I
>> >> >> >> > >> > am
>> >> >> >> > >> > getting
>> >> >> >> > >> poor
>> >> >> >> > >> > picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing
>> >> >> >> > >> > an
>> >> >> >> > >> > analog
>> >> >> >> > >> > signal
>> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> >> > >> > my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
>> >> >> >> > >> > (VHS)
>> >> >> >> > >> > or
>> >> >> >> > >> > my
>> >> >> >> > >> > Hi-8
>> >> >> >> > >> > video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
>> >> >> >> > >> > Movie
>> >> >> >> > >> > Maker
>> >> >> >> > >> software.
>> >> >> >> > >> > I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
>> >> >> >> > >> > software
>> >> >> >> > >> > supported
>> >> >> >> > >> > analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Hi Wojo,
Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented but
I'm still having difficulty.
1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input an
analogue signal.
2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have USB
connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for internal
cards.
3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the file
is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable in
small inset but are very poor in full screen.
My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue signal.
The second option is I think still the best option.
Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain the
Hauppage poor AVI quality.
Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device ?
In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?

Can you shed any further insights.
Thanks again

Garry




"Wojo" wrote:

> Hi Garry,
> Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB connection.
> So you really have three choices here.
> 1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows pass-through
> and hook the VCR to that.
> 2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
> 3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file to
> AVI.
> Hope that helps.
> --
> Wojo's Place:
> http://wojos-web.tk
> Also Please visit.....
> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>
> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4D0DC491-CBB1-41A1-96CD-9B4AE262F56C@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> > The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a problem
> > converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2 screen
> > greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows conversion
> > to
> > wmv but the quality is very poor.
> >
> > I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB connection.
> > I
> > read on the papajohn site that
> > "The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files. As
> > Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice if
> > you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already, you
> > can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
> > Maker. "
> >
> > Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ? Is
> > there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?
> >
> > Hope you can help.
> >
> >
> > Garry
> >
> > "Wojo" wrote:
> >
> >> Awesome, Happy editing!
> >> -Wojo
> >>
> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:F61E0CB7-46A7-4818-B9F1-4923C1C5D3C9@microsoft.com...
> >> >
> >> > thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
> >> > degefu
> >> > "Wojo" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for analog
> >> >> capture
> >> >> but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into Movie
> >> >> Maker
> >> >> then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an AVI
> >> >> file.
> >> >> Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to this
> >> >> site:
> >> >> http://www.videohelp.com/convert
> >> >> Hope that helps.
> >> >> --
> >> >> Wojo's Place:
> >> >> http://wojos-web.tk
> >> >> Also Please visit.....
> >> >> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
> >> >> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:CD0DF301-7958-42AE-983A-84064F767678@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > hello Cari,
> >> >> > thanks for replying to my post...
> >> >> > i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my computer
> >> >> > has,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
> >> >> > coundn't
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
> >> >> > captured
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > not
> >> >> > the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
> >> >> > thanks for ur help again
> >> >> > degefu
> >> >> > "Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video. What
> >> >> >> kind
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator v2,
> >> >> >> PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem to
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> fine.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Cari (MS-MVP)
> >> >> >> Printing & Imaging
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:BEDF0775-2276-4D96-8EB3-5164EDA665AD@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > helloGrham,
> >> >> >> > i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
> >> >> >> > movie
> >> >> >> > maker
> >> >> >> > but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video capture
> >> >> >> > device
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > not detected check the device is connected and turned on and try
> >> >> >> > again". i
> >> >> >> > tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help please?
> >> >> >> > degefu
> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Thanks Graham! I hope this works...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Basics then.
> >> >> >> >> > Ensure all other apps are off, include
> >> >> >> >> > firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
> >> >> >> >> > etc..
> >> >> >> >> > Defrag before capture.
> >> >> >> >> > Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
> >> >> >> >> > Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
> >> >> >> >> > o/s.
> >> >> >> >> > Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see
> >> >> >> >> > this
> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> > hi8
> >> >> >> >> > tape
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Graham
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> >> > Graham Hughes
> >> >> >> >> > MVP Digital Media
> >> >> >> >> > www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> >> >> >> > www.simplydv.com
> >> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > news:9A14415C-2A1E-47E0-9F78-20B222E8C72E@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> > > Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is
> >> >> >> >> > > hard
> >> >> >> >> > > to
> >> >> >> >> > > explain
> >> >> >> >> > > but
> >> >> >> >> > > while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
> >> >> >> >> > > picture
> >> >> >> >> > > kind
> >> >> >> >> > > of
> >> >> >> >> > > fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly lines
> >> >> >> >> > > actually.
> >> >> >> >> > > The
> >> >> >> >> > > weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
> >> >> >> >> > > VHS..both
> >> >> >> >> > > about an
> >> >> >> >> > > hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
> >> >> >> >> > > perfect
> >> >> >> >> > > and
> >> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> >> > > other
> >> >> >> >> > > had the fading in and out throughout the entire video. Last
> >> >> >> >> > > week,
> >> >> >> >> > > I
> >> >> >> >> > > was
> >> >> >> >> > > capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same problems
> >> >> >> >> > > (but
> >> >> >> >> > > I
> >> >> >> >> > > didn't
> >> >> >> >> > > go
> >> >> >> >> > > as far as putting it on a DVD).
> >> >> >> >> > > I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
> >> >> >> >> > > tape
> >> >> >> >> > > play
> >> >> >> >> > > perfect
> >> >> >> >> > > inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my vcr?
> >> >> >> >> > > I
> >> >> >> >> > > only
> >> >> >> >> > > see the
> >> >> >> >> > > lines when I'm capturing the video???
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > > "Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >> > >> Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom this
> >> >> >> >> > >> is
> >> >> >> >> > >> normal
> >> >> >> >> > >> analogue
> >> >> >> >> > >> picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
> >> >> >> >> > >> Graham
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> >> >> > >> Graham Hughes
> >> >> >> >> > >> MVP
> >> >> >> >> > >> www.simplydv.co.uk
> >> >> >> >> > >> www.dvds2treasure.com
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >> "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> >> >> >> > >> message
> >> >> >> >> > >> news:3E8FE6B1-A8E3-4EB8-8FFC-9027F31EDC6A@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> > >> > I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Center.
> >> >> >> >> > >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > >> > am
> >> >> >> >> > >> > getting
> >> >> >> >> > >> poor
> >> >> >> >> > >> > picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am capturing
> >> >> >> >> > >> > an
> >> >> >> >> > >> > analog
> >> >> >> >> > >> > signal
> >> >> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> >> >> > >> > my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a VCR
> >> >> >> >> > >> > (VHS)
> >> >> >> >> > >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > >> > my
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi-8
> >> >> >> >> > >> > video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or Windows
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Movie
> >> >> >> >> > >> > Maker
> >> >> >> >> > >> software.
> >> >> >> >> > >> > I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
> >> >> >> >> > >> > software
> >> >> >> >> > >> > supported
> >> >> >> >> > >> > analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture device?
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Hi Garry
I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I am not
sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in here as
this is more his area than mine.

First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is a
piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire and
is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert them
to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the name
of it slips my mind at the moment.

Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a USB
connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.

Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure if I
can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that either
Graham or papajohn can.
-Wojo

"Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:84017863-3E5E-41FD-971A-B889E3252EDE@microsoft.com...
> Hi Wojo,
> Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented
> but
> I'm still having difficulty.
> 1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input an
> analogue signal.
> 2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
> devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have USB
> connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
> internal
> cards.
> 3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the file
> is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable
> in
> small inset but are very poor in full screen.
> My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
> signal.
> The second option is I think still the best option.
> Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
> file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain
> the
> Hauppage poor AVI quality.
> Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device ?
> In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?
>
> Can you shed any further insights.
> Thanks again
>
> Garry
>
>
>
>
> "Wojo" wrote:
>
>> Hi Garry,
>> Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
>> connection.
>> So you really have three choices here.
>> 1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
>> pass-through
>> and hook the VCR to that.
>> 2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
>> 3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file to
>> AVI.
>> Hope that helps.
>> --
>> Wojo's Place:
>> http://wojos-web.tk
>> Also Please visit.....
>> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>>
>> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4D0DC491-CBB1-41A1-96CD-9B4AE262F56C@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> > The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
>> > problem
>> > converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
>> > screen
>> > greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
>> > conversion
>> > to
>> > wmv but the quality is very poor.
>> >
>> > I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
>> > connection.
>> > I
>> > read on the papajohn site that
>> > "The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2 files.
>> > As
>> > Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice
>> > if
>> > you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already,
>> > you
>> > can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with Movie
>> > Maker. "
>> >
>> > Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device ?
>> > Is
>> > there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device ?
>> >
>> > Hope you can help.
>> >
>> >
>> > Garry
>> >
>> > "Wojo" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Awesome, Happy editing!
>> >> -Wojo
>> >>
>> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:F61E0CB7-46A7-4818-B9F1-4923C1C5D3C9@microsoft.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
>> >> > degefu
>> >> > "Wojo" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
>> >> >> analog
>> >> >> capture
>> >> >> but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
>> >> >> Movie
>> >> >> Maker
>> >> >> then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an
>> >> >> AVI
>> >> >> file.
>> >> >> Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> site:
>> >> >> http://www.videohelp.com/convert
>> >> >> Hope that helps.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Wojo's Place:
>> >> >> http://wojos-web.tk
>> >> >> Also Please visit.....
>> >> >> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>> >> >> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:CD0DF301-7958-42AE-983A-84064F767678@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > hello Cari,
>> >> >> > thanks for replying to my post...
>> >> >> > i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
>> >> >> > computer
>> >> >> > has,
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus i
>> >> >> > coundn't
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> > able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
>> >> >> > captured
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
>> >> >> > thanks for ur help again
>> >> >> > degefu
>> >> >> > "Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
>> >> >> >> What
>> >> >> >> kind
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator
>> >> >> >> v2,
>> >> >> >> PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> work
>> >> >> >> fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Cari (MS-MVP)
>> >> >> >> Printing & Imaging
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:BEDF0775-2276-4D96-8EB3-5164EDA665AD@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > helloGrham,
>> >> >> >> > i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
>> >> >> >> > movie
>> >> >> >> > maker
>> >> >> >> > but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
>> >> >> >> > capture
>> >> >> >> > device
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > not detected check the device is connected and turned on and
>> >> >> >> > try
>> >> >> >> > again". i
>> >> >> >> > tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
>> >> >> >> > please?
>> >> >> >> > degefu
>> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Thanks Graham! I hope this works...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > Basics then.
>> >> >> >> >> > Ensure all other apps are off, include
>> >> >> >> >> > firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
>> >> >> >> >> > etc..
>> >> >> >> >> > Defrag before capture.
>> >> >> >> >> > Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
>> >> >> >> >> > Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
>> >> >> >> >> > o/s.
>> >> >> >> >> > Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't see
>> >> >> >> >> > this
>> >> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> >> > hi8
>> >> >> >> >> > tape
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Graham
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> > Graham Hughes
>> >> >> >> >> > MVP Digital Media
>> >> >> >> >> > www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> >> >> >> > www.simplydv.com
>> >> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> > message
>> >> >> >> >> > news:9A14415C-2A1E-47E0-9F78-20B222E8C72E@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > > Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It is
>> >> >> >> >> > > hard
>> >> >> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> >> >> > > explain
>> >> >> >> >> > > but
>> >> >> >> >> > > while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
>> >> >> >> >> > > picture
>> >> >> >> >> > > kind
>> >> >> >> >> > > of
>> >> >> >> >> > > fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly
>> >> >> >> >> > > lines
>> >> >> >> >> > > actually.
>> >> >> >> >> > > The
>> >> >> >> >> > > weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
>> >> >> >> >> > > VHS..both
>> >> >> >> >> > > about an
>> >> >> >> >> > > hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
>> >> >> >> >> > > perfect
>> >> >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> >> >> > > other
>> >> >> >> >> > > had the fading in and out throughout the entire video.
>> >> >> >> >> > > Last
>> >> >> >> >> > > week,
>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> >> > > was
>> >> >> >> >> > > capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same
>> >> >> >> >> > > problems
>> >> >> >> >> > > (but
>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> >> > > didn't
>> >> >> >> >> > > go
>> >> >> >> >> > > as far as putting it on a DVD).
>> >> >> >> >> > > I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
>> >> >> >> >> > > tape
>> >> >> >> >> > > play
>> >> >> >> >> > > perfect
>> >> >> >> >> > > inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my
>> >> >> >> >> > > vcr?
>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> >> >> > > only
>> >> >> >> >> > > see the
>> >> >> >> >> > > lines when I'm capturing the video???
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > "Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >> > >> Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom
>> >> >> >> >> > >> this
>> >> >> >> >> > >> is
>> >> >> >> >> > >> normal
>> >> >> >> >> > >> analogue
>> >> >> >> >> > >> picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
>> >> >> >> >> > >> Graham
>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> > >> --
>> >> >> >> >> > >> Graham Hughes
>> >> >> >> >> > >> MVP
>> >> >> >> >> > >> www.simplydv.co.uk
>> >> >> >> >> > >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> > >> "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> > >> message
>> >> >> >> >> > >> news:3E8FE6B1-A8E3-4EB8-8FFC-9027F31EDC6A@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Center.
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > I
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > am
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > getting
>> >> >> >> >> > >> poor
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > capturing
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > an
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > analog
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > signal
>> >> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > VCR
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > (VHS)
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > or
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > my
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi-8
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Windows
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Movie
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Maker
>> >> >> >> >> > >> software.
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > I thought the inputs on the front of my computer & the
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > software
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > supported
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture
>> >> >> >> >> > >> > device?
>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Hello, just popping in

To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a convertor
which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a firewire
connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc, which is
time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When you
capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and the
audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles you end
up with audio drift over time.
If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they have
lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one of
only two options to get the quality you say you want.
http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/product..._selection.asp
http://www.miglia.com/products/video...or2/index.html
http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html

The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


"Wojo" <[REMOVE]wojos_web@[REMOVE]verizon.net> wrote in message
news:WxY6f.7286$hP6.5494@trnddc05...
> Hi Garry
> I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I am
> not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in here
> as this is more his area than mine.
>
> First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is a
> piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire and
> is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert them
> to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the
> name of it slips my mind at the moment.
>
> Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a USB
> connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.
>
> Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure if
> I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that
> either Graham or papajohn can.
> -Wojo
>
> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:84017863-3E5E-41FD-971A-B889E3252EDE@microsoft.com...
>> Hi Wojo,
>> Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented
>> but
>> I'm still having difficulty.
>> 1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input
>> an
>> analogue signal.
>> 2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
>> devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have
>> USB
>> connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
>> internal
>> cards.
>> 3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the
>> file
>> is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable
>> in
>> small inset but are very poor in full screen.
>> My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
>> signal.
>> The second option is I think still the best option.
>> Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
>> file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain
>> the
>> Hauppage poor AVI quality.
>> Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device
>> ?
>> In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?
>>
>> Can you shed any further insights.
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Garry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wojo" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Garry,
>>> Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
>>> connection.
>>> So you really have three choices here.
>>> 1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
>>> pass-through
>>> and hook the VCR to that.
>>> 2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
>>> 3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file
>>> to
>>> AVI.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> --
>>> Wojo's Place:
>>> http://wojos-web.tk
>>> Also Please visit.....
>>> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>>> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>>>
>>> "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4D0DC491-CBB1-41A1-96CD-9B4AE262F56C@microsoft.com...
>>> > Hi,
>>> > The discussion on this topic is of interest to me. I am having a
>>> > problem
>>> > converting my old analogue home video tapes in VHS to AVI. The MM2
>>> > screen
>>> > greys out the Digital device format (DV-AVI) option. It allows
>>> > conversion
>>> > to
>>> > wmv but the quality is very poor.
>>> >
>>> > I am playing the tapes through a VCR into a Hauppage WinTV USB
>>> > connection.
>>> > I
>>> > read on the papajohn site that
>>> > "The Hauppauge devices are meant to capture TV signals to MPEG-2
>>> > files. As
>>> > Movie Maker doesn't work with MPEG-2 files, they are not a good choice
>>> > if
>>> > you're looking for something to use with MM2. If you have one already,
>>> > you
>>> > can work toward ways to convert your captured files to align with
>>> > Movie
>>> > Maker. "
>>> >
>>> > Is my problem an incompatability with the Hauppage USB capture device
>>> > ? Is
>>> > there a work around ? Could you recommend a more suitable usb device
>>> > ?
>>> >
>>> > Hope you can help.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Garry
>>> >
>>> > "Wojo" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Awesome, Happy editing!
>>> >> -Wojo
>>> >>
>>> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:F61E0CB7-46A7-4818-B9F1-4923C1C5D3C9@microsoft.com...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > thank you very much wojo! i think it works.
>>> >> > degefu
>>> >> > "Wojo" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Click2DVD (Sony's own proprietary software product) works for
>>> >> >> analog
>>> >> >> capture
>>> >> >> but Movie Maker doesn't. The easiest way to get your video into
>>> >> >> Movie
>>> >> >> Maker
>>> >> >> then is to capture with Click2DVD and then convert the file to an
>>> >> >> AVI
>>> >> >> file.
>>> >> >> Import the AVI into Movie Maker. For help with conversion go to
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> site:
>>> >> >> http://www.videohelp.com/convert
>>> >> >> Hope that helps.
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Wojo's Place:
>>> >> >> http://wojos-web.tk
>>> >> >> Also Please visit.....
>>> >> >> http://www.remember-christopher.dost...m/christopher/
>>> >> >> Dedicated in loving memory of our son Christopher Lee
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:CD0DF301-7958-42AE-983A-84064F767678@microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > hello Cari,
>>> >> >> > thanks for replying to my post...
>>> >> >> > i don't think i know exactly what kind of capture card my
>>> >> >> > computer
>>> >> >> > has,
>>> >> >> > but
>>> >> >> > i was successful in capturing analog video in click2dvd . plus
>>> >> >> > i
>>> >> >> > coundn't
>>> >> >> > be
>>> >> >> > able to import video from click2dvd due to the format it was
>>> >> >> > captured
>>> >> >> > is
>>> >> >> > not
>>> >> >> > the type of file that the movie maker can accept...
>>> >> >> > thanks for ur help again
>>> >> >> > degefu
>>> >> >> > "Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> Windows Movie Maker is not designed to capture analog video.
>>> >> >> >> What
>>> >> >> >> kind
>>> >> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> software came with your capture card? I've used WinDVD Creator
>>> >> >> >> v2,
>>> >> >> >> PowerDirector v3 and 4 and ATI's Multimedia Center and all seem
>>> >> >> >> to
>>> >> >> >> work
>>> >> >> >> fine.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> --
>>> >> >> >> Cari (MS-MVP)
>>> >> >> >> Printing & Imaging
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> "degefu" <degefu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> news:BEDF0775-2276-4D96-8EB3-5164EDA665AD@microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > helloGrham,
>>> >> >> >> > i'm trying to capture video from analog video[from vcr] to my
>>> >> >> >> > movie
>>> >> >> >> > maker
>>> >> >> >> > but when i hit capture from video device, it says,"video
>>> >> >> >> > capture
>>> >> >> >> > device
>>> >> >> >> > is
>>> >> >> >> > not detected check the device is connected and turned on and
>>> >> >> >> > try
>>> >> >> >> > again". i
>>> >> >> >> > tried every thing i know but it didn't work out. any help
>>> >> >> >> > please?
>>> >> >> >> > degefu
>>> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> Thanks Graham! I hope this works...
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> > Basics then.
>>> >> >> >> >> > Ensure all other apps are off, include
>>> >> >> >> >> > firewall/internet/a-virus/screensaver/power save modes etc
>>> >> >> >> >> > etc..
>>> >> >> >> >> > Defrag before capture.
>>> >> >> >> >> > Ensure dma mode is enabled on the hard drive.
>>> >> >> >> >> > Try to capture to a seperate hdd other than the one on the
>>> >> >> >> >> > o/s.
>>> >> >> >> >> > Squiggly lines may be copy protection, but you wouldn't
>>> >> >> >> >> > see
>>> >> >> >> >> > this
>>> >> >> >> >> > on
>>> >> >> >> >> > a
>>> >> >> >> >> > hi8
>>> >> >> >> >> > tape
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> > Graham
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> > --
>>> >> >> >> >> > Graham Hughes
>>> >> >> >> >> > MVP Digital Media
>>> >> >> >> >> > www.dvds2treasure.com
>>> >> >> >> >> > www.simplydv.com
>>> >> >> >> >> > "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> >> >> >> >> > message
>>> >> >> >> >> > news:9A14415C-2A1E-47E0-9F78-20B222E8C72E@microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> >> >> > > Hi Graham and thanks for responding to my posting. It
>>> >> >> >> >> > > is
>>> >> >> >> >> > > hard
>>> >> >> >> >> > > to
>>> >> >> >> >> > > explain
>>> >> >> >> >> > > but
>>> >> >> >> >> > > while I'm watching the captured video on my monitor, the
>>> >> >> >> >> > > picture
>>> >> >> >> >> > > kind
>>> >> >> >> >> > > of
>>> >> >> >> >> > > fades in and out, a light fuzziness more than squiggly
>>> >> >> >> >> > > lines
>>> >> >> >> >> > > actually.
>>> >> >> >> >> > > The
>>> >> >> >> >> > > weird thing is that one time I copied two videos off of
>>> >> >> >> >> > > VHS..both
>>> >> >> >> >> > > about an
>>> >> >> >> >> > > hour long and put them on a DVD. One of the videos was
>>> >> >> >> >> > > perfect
>>> >> >> >> >> > > and
>>> >> >> >> >> > > the
>>> >> >> >> >> > > other
>>> >> >> >> >> > > had the fading in and out throughout the entire video.
>>> >> >> >> >> > > Last
>>> >> >> >> >> > > week,
>>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>>> >> >> >> >> > > was
>>> >> >> >> >> > > capturing from a Hi-8 video camera and had the same
>>> >> >> >> >> > > problems
>>> >> >> >> >> > > (but
>>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>>> >> >> >> >> > > didn't
>>> >> >> >> >> > > go
>>> >> >> >> >> > > as far as putting it on a DVD).
>>> >> >> >> >> > > I first thought it was my VCR but then why does the Hi-8
>>> >> >> >> >> > > tape
>>> >> >> >> >> > > play
>>> >> >> >> >> > > perfect
>>> >> >> >> >> > > inside the camera and the vhs tape play perfect in my
>>> >> >> >> >> > > vcr?
>>> >> >> >> >> > > I
>>> >> >> >> >> > > only
>>> >> >> >> >> > > see the
>>> >> >> >> >> > > lines when I'm capturing the video???
>>> >> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> >> > > "Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> Whereabouts are these lines.If at the top and bottom
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> this
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> is
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> normal
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> analogue
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> picture and is not visible on tv's because of overscan.
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> Graham
>>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> --
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> Graham Hughes
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> MVP
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> www.simplydv.co.uk
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> "cmsoule" <cmsoule@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> message
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> news:3E8FE6B1-A8E3-4EB8-8FFC-9027F31EDC6A@microsoft.com...
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > I am using an HP m470n computer with Windows Media
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Center.
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > I
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > am
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > getting
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> poor
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > picture quality (i.e. squiggly lines) when I am
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > capturing
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > an
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > analog
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > signal
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> to
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > my hard drive. It happens when I am recording from a
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > VCR
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > (VHS)
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > or
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > my
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Hi-8
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > video camera and whether I'm using Showbiz 2 or
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Windows
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Movie
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > Maker
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> software.
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > I thought the inputs on the front of my computer &
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > the
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > software
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > supported
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > analog. Do I need new software? an analog capture
>>> >> >> >> >> > >> > device?
>>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >> > >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Hi Graham,

Thanks for those recomendations. I've checked out the websites and they
sound the business. I'm going to buy a "Take 2" device. The scart version of
this is quoted at nearly a €100 cheaper at €293.75. Although both versions
get a 5 out of 5 rating in the SimplyDV review. I can't think of any
disadvantage of using the scart. Even if using a non scart input this can be
converted with an inexpensive adaptor. Am I missing something ?

Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Garry

"Graham Hughes" wrote:

> Hello, just popping in
>
> To get the best as Wojo says you need to connect the vhs to a convertor
> which will output dv-avi files and this has to be done using a firewire
> connection to the pc. The better quality makes will also use tbc, which is
> time base correction, this will keep the audio and video in sync. When you
> capture them seperately the video card often processes the video and the
> audio card the audio signal. As these work at different clock cycles you end
> up with audio drift over time.
> If you are UK based then PC World is not the best place to go, they have
> lots of usb based products and often they are next ot useless.
> Check out these two makes, superb quality, at a higher price, but one of
> only two options to get the quality you say you want.
> http://www.canopus-uk.com/US/product..._selection.asp
> http://www.miglia.com/products/video...or2/index.html
> http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/av_digitisers.html
>
> The other option si to get a minidv camcorder which has analogue in.
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> www.myvideoproblems.co.uk
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "Wojo" <[REMOVE]wojos_web@[REMOVE]verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:WxY6f.7286$hP6.5494@trnddc05...
> > Hi Garry
> > I will try to help you further but as I don't capture analog myself I am
> > not sure how much more help I will be. Hopefully Graham will chime in here
> > as this is more his area than mine.
> >
> > First one of the recommended digital converters is called Dazzle. It is a
> > piece of external hardware that connects to your computer via firewire and
> > is capable of capturing analog signals through RCA cables and convert them
> > to digital. There is another one that Graham always recommends but the
> > name of it slips my mind at the moment.
> >
> > Next you are correct, you can't capture through WMM to DV-AVI using a USB
> > connection. A firewire connection is required to achieve this.
> >
> > Outside of what I have said here and in my previous post I am not sure if
> > I can shed any more light on the subject for you but I am certain that
> > either Graham or papajohn can.
> > -Wojo
> >
> > "Garry" <Garry@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:84017863-3E5E-41FD-971A-B889E3252EDE@microsoft.com...
> >> Hi Wojo,
> >> Thanks for the response. I followed up on the options that you presented
> >> but
> >> I'm still having difficulty.
> >> 1. My Digital video camera does not appear to have the ability to input
> >> an
> >> analogue signal.
> >> 2. The largest retail shop where I live "PC World" does not sell external
> >> devices with firewire outputs. The external devices they sell all have
> >> USB
> >> connections. My PC is a small form computer and I have no room for
> >> internal
> >> cards.
> >> 3. The Hauppauge software can create AVI files but the quality of the
> >> file
> >> is no better than the wmv's created through MM2. The files are reasonable
> >> in
> >> small inset but are very poor in full screen.
> >> My primary objective to preserve the optimum quality of the analogue
> >> signal.
> >> The second option is I think still the best option.
> >> Am I understanding you correctly that it is not possible to import an AVI
> >> file through any USB port regardless of the source ? This could explain
> >> the
> >> Hauppage poor AVI quality.
> >> Can you recommend a dedicated analogue conversion to AVI external device
> >> ?
> >> In terms of quality is mpeg2 less than AVI ?
> >>
> >> Can you shed any further insights.
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Garry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Wojo" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Garry,
> >>> Part of the issue is that you can't capture to DV-AVI with a USB
> >>> connection.
> >>> So you really have three choices here.
> >>> 1) Use a digital camera with a firewire connection that allows
> >>> pass-through
> >>> and hook the VCR to that.
> >>> 2) Purchase a capture device that has a firewire input to the computer.
> >>> 3) Capture to MPEG2 using the Hauppauge software and convert that file
> >>> to
> >>> AVI.
> >>> Hope that helps.
> >>> --
> >>> Wojo's Place:
> >>>