networking xp and 98

I am attempting to add a Windows 98 (not SE) machine to an existing network
of two xp machines with a DLink DWL-520 wireless card thru a Belkin G
router. I should mention that I've had a 98 machine (not sure if it was SE)
on this same network in the past using the same DLink card, but a B router,
and it worked fine. The Mobo went bad on that machine, so I built this new
one using a new OEM version of 98. (I 'bought' 98 SE off eBay, but I don'
think I got it. How do I tell for sure if it's SE?)

I've checked that the drivers are current, that the card is configured
properly, machine ID's are correct, but the 98 machine just won't recognize
the others. It shows MSHOME as the domain, and itself in the network window,
but not the others, and the others can't see it, either.

I did hook a CAT 5 cable to a wired NIC card on this machine and was able to
surf the web, but I removed the wired card and tried the wireless, but no
go. I need it to be wireless.

Any idea what I should check?

A bazillion thanx,

Rip

--
Ripper T Smith
rippertsmith<nospam>@comcast.net

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:39:47 -0500, "RipperT"
<rippertsmith<N_oS_pAm>@comcast.net> wrote:

>I am attempting to add a Windows 98 (not SE) machine to an existing network
>of two xp machines with a DLink DWL-520 wireless card thru a Belkin G
>router. I should mention that I've had a 98 machine (not sure if it was SE)
>on this same network in the past using the same DLink card, but a B router,
>and it worked fine. The Mobo went bad on that machine, so I built this new
>one using a new OEM version of 98. (I 'bought' 98 SE off eBay, but I don'
>think I got it. How do I tell for sure if it's SE?)
>
>I've checked that the drivers are current, that the card is configured
>properly, machine ID's are correct, but the 98 machine just won't recognize
>the others. It shows MSHOME as the domain, and itself in the network window,
>but not the others, and the others can't see it, either.
>
>I did hook a CAT 5 cable to a wired NIC card on this machine and was able to
>surf the web, but I removed the wired card and tried the wireless, but no
>go. I need it to be wireless.
>
>Any idea what I should check?
>
>A bazillion thanx,
>
>Rip

Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical) issues, and no
security issues, your problem is quite likely the well known conflict between
Windows 9x (95, 98, ME) and Windows NT (NT, 2000, XP, 2003).
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/windows-9x-9598me-and-browser.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d-browser.html
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html

Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Will report back. How do I tell if my 98 is SE?

Rip


"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
news:e62tm1h8c95s7hp82e3n0qo48kc6of6ttb@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:39:47 -0500, "RipperT"
> <rippertsmith<N_oS_pAm>@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I am attempting to add a Windows 98 (not SE) machine to an existing
>>network
>>of two xp machines with a DLink DWL-520 wireless card thru a Belkin G
>>router. I should mention that I've had a 98 machine (not sure if it was
>>SE)
>>on this same network in the past using the same DLink card, but a B
>>router,
>>and it worked fine. The Mobo went bad on that machine, so I built this new
>>one using a new OEM version of 98. (I 'bought' 98 SE off eBay, but I don'
>>think I got it. How do I tell for sure if it's SE?)
>>
>>I've checked that the drivers are current, that the card is configured
>>properly, machine ID's are correct, but the 98 machine just won't
>>recognize
>>the others. It shows MSHOME as the domain, and itself in the network
>>window,
>>but not the others, and the others can't see it, either.
>>
>>I did hook a CAT 5 cable to a wired NIC card on this machine and was able
>>to
>>surf the web, but I removed the wired card and tried the wireless, but no
>>go. I need it to be wireless.
>>
>>Any idea what I should check?
>>
>>A bazillion thanx,
>>
>>Rip
>
> Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical) issues,
> and no
> security issues, your problem is quite likely the well known conflict
> between
> Windows 9x (95, 98, ME) and Windows NT (NT, 2000, XP, 2003).
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/windows-9x-9598me-and-browser.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d-browser.html
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html
>
> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you
> learn
> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:54:02 -0500, "RipperT" <rippert<nospam>@comcast.net>
wrote:

>"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>news:e62tm1h8c95s7hp82e3n0qo48kc6of6ttb@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:39:47 -0500, "RipperT"
>> <rippertsmith<N_oS_pAm>@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I am attempting to add a Windows 98 (not SE) machine to an existing
>>>network
>>>of two xp machines with a DLink DWL-520 wireless card thru a Belkin G
>>>router. I should mention that I've had a 98 machine (not sure if it was
>>>SE)
>>>on this same network in the past using the same DLink card, but a B
>>>router,
>>>and it worked fine. The Mobo went bad on that machine, so I built this new
>>>one using a new OEM version of 98. (I 'bought' 98 SE off eBay, but I don'
>>>think I got it. How do I tell for sure if it's SE?)
>>>
>>>I've checked that the drivers are current, that the card is configured
>>>properly, machine ID's are correct, but the 98 machine just won't
>>>recognize
>>>the others. It shows MSHOME as the domain, and itself in the network
>>>window,
>>>but not the others, and the others can't see it, either.
>>>
>>>I did hook a CAT 5 cable to a wired NIC card on this machine and was able
>>>to
>>>surf the web, but I removed the wired card and tried the wireless, but no
>>>go. I need it to be wireless.
>>>
>>>Any idea what I should check?
>>>
>>>A bazillion thanx,
>>>
>>>Rip
>>
>> Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical) issues,
>> and no
>> security issues, your problem is quite likely the well known conflict
>> between
>> Windows 9x (95, 98, ME) and Windows NT (NT, 2000, XP, 2003).
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/windows-9x-9598me-and-browser.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d-browser.html
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html
>>
>> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you
>> learn
>> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.

Rip,

I would think that your System Properties applet will display the system
version, though I don't know what 98 pre-SE shows; I doubt it says "98 pre-SE".

But that's irrelevant. Windows 95, 98, and ME have the same problem. SE or no.
As far as I know. Where do you see a reference to 98 SE, where that becomes an
issue?

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

SE has Internet Connection Sharing, pre SE doesn't. Also, the DLink wireless
card says it's compatible with 98SE, Me, 2000, NT & XP, so I wonder if that
means it's NOT compatible w/98 pre-SE. I'm pretty certain, however, that
the last time I had this card working, it was on a pre-SE machine.

In your first post, you state,

>>>Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical) issues,
>>> and no
>>> security issues. . .

I would like to check for those issues, but I'm not sure where to start . .
..

Thanx again,

Rip

--
Ripper T Smith
rippertsmith<nospam>@comcast.net
"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
news:6chtm119d22ukf1ltik876go6352r41ivb@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:54:02 -0500, "RipperT" <rippert<nospam>@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:e62tm1h8c95s7hp82e3n0qo48kc6of6ttb@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:39:47 -0500, "RipperT"
>>> <rippertsmith<N_oS_pAm>@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am attempting to add a Windows 98 (not SE) machine to an existing
>>>>network
>>>>of two xp machines with a DLink DWL-520 wireless card thru a Belkin G
>>>>router. I should mention that I've had a 98 machine (not sure if it was
>>>>SE)
>>>>on this same network in the past using the same DLink card, but a B
>>>>router,
>>>>and it worked fine. The Mobo went bad on that machine, so I built this
>>>>new
>>>>one using a new OEM version of 98. (I 'bought' 98 SE off eBay, but I
>>>>don'
>>>>think I got it. How do I tell for sure if it's SE?)
>>>>
>>>>I've checked that the drivers are current, that the card is configured
>>>>properly, machine ID's are correct, but the 98 machine just won't
>>>>recognize
>>>>the others. It shows MSHOME as the domain, and itself in the network
>>>>window,
>>>>but not the others, and the others can't see it, either.
>>>>
>>>>I did hook a CAT 5 cable to a wired NIC card on this machine and was
>>>>able
>>>>to
>>>>surf the web, but I removed the wired card and tried the wireless, but
>>>>no
>>>>go. I need it to be wireless.
>>>>
>>>>Any idea what I should check?
>>>>
>>>>A bazillion thanx,
>>>>
>>>>Rip
>>>
>>> Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical)
>>> issues,
>>> and no
>>> security issues, your problem is quite likely the well known conflict
>>> between
>>> Windows 9x (95, 98, ME) and Windows NT (NT, 2000, XP, 2003).
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/windows-9x-9598me-and-browser.html>
>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...d-browser.html
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html
>>>
>>> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What
>>> you
>>> learn
>>> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>
> Rip,
>
> I would think that your System Properties applet will display the system
> version, though I don't know what 98 pre-SE shows; I doubt it says "98
> pre-SE".
>
> But that's irrelevant. Windows 95, 98, and ME have the same problem. SE
> or no.
> As far as I know. Where do you see a reference to 98 SE, where that
> becomes an
> issue?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:33:33 -0500, "RipperT"
<rippertsmith<N_oS_pAm>@comcast.net> wrote:

>SE has Internet Connection Sharing, pre SE doesn't. Also, the DLink wireless
>card says it's compatible with 98SE, Me, 2000, NT & XP, so I wonder if that
>means it's NOT compatible w/98 pre-SE. I'm pretty certain, however, that
>the last time I had this card working, it was on a pre-SE machine.
>
>In your first post, you state,
>
>>>>Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical) issues,
>>>> and no
>>>> security issues. . .
>
>I would like to check for those issues, but I'm not sure where to start . .
>.
>
>Thanx again,
>
>Rip

Rip,

Why is ICS a consideration, if you have a router?

If you want to consider connectivity and all other issues, start with my
comprehensive troubleshooting guide.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ghborhood.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

I installed XP over 98 and the card works fine, so it must not be compatible
with pre- SE.

Thanx,

Ripper

--
Ripper T Smith
rippertsmith<nospam>@comcast.net
"Chuck" <none@example.net> wrote in message
news:7dpvm1t3krsd4qfkcjjobd7b8fgcon0f7b@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:33:33 -0500, "RipperT"
> <rippertsmith<N_oS_pAm>@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>SE has Internet Connection Sharing, pre SE doesn't. Also, the DLink
>>wireless
>>card says it's compatible with 98SE, Me, 2000, NT & XP, so I wonder if
>>that
>>means it's NOT compatible w/98 pre-SE. I'm pretty certain, however, that
>>the last time I had this card working, it was on a pre-SE machine.
>>
>>In your first post, you state,
>>
>>>>>Rip, Assuming that you have no connectivity (physical or logical)
>>>>>issues,
>>>>> and no
>>>>> security issues. . .
>>
>>I would like to check for those issues, but I'm not sure where to start .
>>.
>>.
>>
>>Thanx again,
>>
>>Rip
>
> Rip,
>
> Why is ICS a consideration, if you have a router?
>
> If you want to consider connectivity and all other issues, start with my
> comprehensive troubleshooting guide.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ghborhood.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.