Brand new partition has 'Used' space

I made a new partition H on my third HD, large enough to contain a
copy of my XP OS from C. But when I came to use Drive Image to make
the copy, it said destination was too small. On inspection, I found
that although it was apparently EMPTY, it had a 'Used' figure of 122MB
- just enough to take it fractionally below the size of C.

Why would a brand new partition have *any* used space? The only
content I can see is a RECYCLER folder, but that's '35 bytes', and I
can't seem to remove it anyway.

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Terry, West Sussex, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
> I made a new partition H on my third HD, large enough to contain a
> copy of my XP OS from C. But when I came to use Drive Image to make
> the copy, it said destination was too small. On inspection, I found
> that although it was apparently EMPTY, it had a 'Used' figure of 122MB
> - just enough to take it fractionally below the size of C.
>
> Why would a brand new partition have *any* used space? The only
> content I can see is a RECYCLER folder, but that's '35 bytes', and I
> can't seem to remove it anyway.

Sounds like you did not delete all partitions.
Since this is a new drive I am assuming - initialize and partition it again.

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Hi Terry,

Go to the Control Panel/Folder Options/View tab, set it to "Show hidden
files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files
[recommended]". Also uncheck "Hide extensions for known file types".
Look for a folder or folders that contain data. If it's the System
Volume Information folder holding this data, you will also want to make
sure System Restore is not monitoring that drive. This is where System
Restore holds it restore points and the folder can not be removed.

Disable a monitored drive
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/drivedisable.html

When done looking, make sure to check "Hide protected operating system
files [recommended]".

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Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org

Terry Pinnell wrote:
> I made a new partition H on my third HD, large enough to contain a
> copy of my XP OS from C. But when I came to use Drive Image to make
> the copy, it said destination was too small. On inspection, I found
> that although it was apparently EMPTY, it had a 'Used' figure of 122MB
> - just enough to take it fractionally below the size of C.
>
> Why would a brand new partition have *any* used space? The only
> content I can see is a RECYCLER folder, but that's '35 bytes', and I
> can't seem to remove it anyway.

Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:

>I made a new partition H on my third HD, large enough to contain a
>copy of my XP OS from C. But when I came to use Drive Image to make
>the copy, it said destination was too small. On inspection, I found
>that although it was apparently EMPTY, it had a 'Used' figure of 122MB
>- just enough to take it fractionally below the size of C.
>
>Why would a brand new partition have *any* used space? The only
>content I can see is a RECYCLER folder, but that's '35 bytes', and I
>can't seem to remove it anyway.


Is this an NTFS partition?

Try opening a DOS command window and entering

CHKDSK H:

Space used for the MFT on an NTFS drive will be reported as "nnnn KB
in use by the system".

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote:

>Terry Pinnell wrote:
>> I made a new partition H on my third HD, large enough to contain a
>> copy of my XP OS from C. But when I came to use Drive Image to make
>> the copy, it said destination was too small. On inspection, I found
>> that although it was apparently EMPTY, it had a 'Used' figure of 122MB
>> - just enough to take it fractionally below the size of C.
>>
>> Why would a brand new partition have *any* used space? The only
>> content I can see is a RECYCLER folder, but that's '35 bytes', and I
>> can't seem to remove it anyway.
>
>Sounds like you did not delete all partitions.
>Since this is a new drive I am assuming - initialize and partition it again.

I don't follow. My query is about the (to me) mysterious contents of a
partition. It's one of two on that HD. The other is the single logical
partition made a week ago when I installed the drive.

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Terry, West Sussex, UK

"Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote:

>Hi Terry,
>
>Go to the Control Panel/Folder Options/View tab, set it to "Show hidden
>files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files
>[recommended]". Also uncheck "Hide extensions for known file types".
>Look for a folder or folders that contain data. If it's the System
>Volume Information folder holding this data, you will also want to make
>sure System Restore is not monitoring that drive. This is where System
>Restore holds it restore points and the folder can not be removed.
>
>Disable a monitored drive
>http://bertk.mvps.org/html/drivedisable.html
>
>When done looking, make sure to check "Hide protected operating system
>files [recommended]".

Thanks, but I never hide folders. There was no other one apart from
Recycler.

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Terry, West Sussex, UK

Ron Martell <ron.martell@gmail.com> wrote:

>Terry Pinnell <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>I made a new partition H on my third HD, large enough to contain a
>>copy of my XP OS from C. But when I came to use Drive Image to make
>>the copy, it said destination was too small. On inspection, I found
>>that although it was apparently EMPTY, it had a 'Used' figure of 122MB
>>- just enough to take it fractionally below the size of C.
>>
>>Why would a brand new partition have *any* used space? The only
>>content I can see is a RECYCLER folder, but that's '35 bytes', and I
>>can't seem to remove it anyway.
>
>
>Is this an NTFS partition?
>
>Try opening a DOS command window and entering
>
>CHKDSK H:
>
>Space used for the MFT on an NTFS drive will be reported as "nnnn KB
>in use by the system".
>
>Good luck
>
>Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

Thanks Ron. I'll remember that tip for future use. Meanwhile I made
various changes, including by-passing the problem by enlarging the
destination partition (tedious!) and generally getting in a fair old
mess. But I'll post separately under a new subject.

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Terry, West Sussex, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
> "Bert Kinney" wrote:
>> Hi Terry,
>>
>> Go to the Control Panel/Folder Options/View tab, set it to "Show
>> hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating
>> system files [recommended]". Also uncheck "Hide extensions for known
>> file types". Look for a folder or folders that contain data. If it's
>> the System Volume Information folder holding this data, you will
>> also want to make sure System Restore is not monitoring that drive.
>> This is where System Restore holds it restore points and the folder
>> can not be removed.
>>
>> Disable a monitored drive
>> http://bertk.mvps.org/html/drivedisable.html
>>
>> When done looking, make sure to check "Hide protected operating
>> system files [recommended]".
>
> Thanks, but I never hide folders. There was no other one apart from
> Recycler.

If you were viewing hidden protected operating system folders, you would
see the System Volume Information folder!

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Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org

Terry

How large is your H partition?

Right click on your My Computer icon on your Desktop and select
Properties, System Restore. What is the Status for each drive listed?

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"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> "Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> wrote:
>
>>Hi Terry,
>>
>>Go to the Control Panel/Folder Options/View tab, set it to "Show
>>hidden
>>files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files
>>[recommended]". Also uncheck "Hide extensions for known file types".
>>Look for a folder or folders that contain data. If it's the System
>>Volume Information folder holding this data, you will also want to
>>make
>>sure System Restore is not monitoring that drive. This is where System
>>Restore holds it restore points and the folder can not be removed.
>>
>>Disable a monitored drive
>>http://bertk.mvps.org/html/drivedisable.html
>>
>>When done looking, make sure to check "Hide protected operating system
>>files [recommended]".
>
> Thanks, but I never hide folders. There was no other one apart from
> Recycler.
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK

"Gerry Cornell" <gcjc@tenretnitb.com> wrote:

>Terry
>
>How large is your H partition?
>
>Right click on your My Computer icon on your Desktop and select
>Properties, System Restore. What is the Status for each drive listed?

Gerry, Bert: As you probably saw from my reply to Ron, I've moved on a
fair way since that post. (Up half the night!) Please see my later
post 'Why this configuration not working?' which includes a screenshot
from XP Disk Management of current status.

Right now, at this working stage, System Restore is turned off for all
drives.

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Terry, West Sussex, UK