I tried running disc defragmenter today and I received a message saying some
files could not be fragmented. This is the report I was shown.


Volume (C
Volume size = 70.94 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 53.71 GB
Free space = 17.24 GB
Percent free space = 24 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 8 %
File fragmentation = 16 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 83,744
Average file size = 780 KB
Total fragmented files = 5
Total excess fragments = 2,590
Average fragments per file = 1.03

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 768 MB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 5,996
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 134 MB
MFT record count = 90,159
Percent MFT in use = 65 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
98 1,024 MB \System Volume
Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054780.rbf
1,805 1,024 MB \System Volume
Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054778.rbf
125 1.45 GB \System Volume
Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP535\A0049612.exe


I searched for this files on my hardrive and could not find them. What are
this files for and do I need them? Would it be safe to delete them?

"DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:005338E3-7864-4772-A4CF-38AEE7B735BB@microsoft.com...
>I tried running disc defragmenter today and I received a message saying
>some
> files could not be fragmented. This is the report I was shown.
>
>
> Volume (C
> Volume size = 70.94 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 53.71 GB
> Free space = 17.24 GB
> Percent free space = 24 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 8 %
> File fragmentation = 16 %
> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 83,744
> Average file size = 780 KB
> Total fragmented files = 5
> Total excess fragments = 2,590
> Average fragments per file = 1.03
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 768 MB
> Total fragments = 1
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,996
> Fragmented folders = 1
> Excess folder fragments = 0
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 134 MB
> MFT record count = 90,159
> Percent MFT in use = 65 %
> Total MFT fragments = 3
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 98 1,024 MB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054780.rbf
> 1,805 1,024 MB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054778.rbf
> 125 1.45 GB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP535\A0049612.exe
>
>
> I searched for this files on my hardrive and could not find them. What are
> this files for and do I need them? Would it be safe to delete them?
They are hidden files which contain restore points. Only you know whether
you will need them or not.
Fragmentation of these files is not very important because they are seldom
accessed.
Jim

There are certain files that disk defragmenter will not defragment. The main
one on your list is system restore files. These don't need defragmenting
because they are replaced by new ones as your system creates new restore
points and older ones get deleted. Two other areas that are not defragmented
are the hibernation file (hiberfile.sys) and the paging file. If you use
hibernation you can get round this problem by disabling hibernation prior to
defrgamenting your drive. To defragment the paging file you need an
alternative defragmenter. Something like Perfect disk will do this, but it
is not free, i'm afraid.

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"DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:005338E3-7864-4772-A4CF-38AEE7B735BB@microsoft.com...
>I tried running disc defragmenter today and I received a message saying
>some
> files could not be fragmented. This is the report I was shown.
>
>
> Volume (C
> Volume size = 70.94 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 53.71 GB
> Free space = 17.24 GB
> Percent free space = 24 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 8 %
> File fragmentation = 16 %
> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 83,744
> Average file size = 780 KB
> Total fragmented files = 5
> Total excess fragments = 2,590
> Average fragments per file = 1.03
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 768 MB
> Total fragments = 1
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,996
> Fragmented folders = 1
> Excess folder fragments = 0
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 134 MB
> MFT record count = 90,159
> Percent MFT in use = 65 %
> Total MFT fragments = 3
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 98 1,024 MB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054780.rbf
> 1,805 1,024 MB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054778.rbf
> 125 1.45 GB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP535\A0049612.exe
>
>
> I searched for this files on my hardrive and could not find them. What are
> this files for and do I need them? Would it be safe to delete them?

I should have been a bit clearer in my first post. When I attempt to
defragment my hardrive, it gets to around 15-16% completed before giving me
the message that some files cannot be defragmented and then stopping. Now
from the previous posts I'm assuming I can delete them, but I cannot find
them. I have the option set to show hidden files and folders. When I use the
search function, it is also set to search in hidden files and folders. Any
idea on how I can find and get rid of these files so I can defrag the rest of
my hardrive?

All I had to do was turn off the system restore setting. That deleted the
files for me.

The files are not actually files they are folders, each being System
Restore point. They are all within your System Volume Information
folder. The contents remain hidden even when " Show Hidden Files" is
enabled to discourage users from deleting them. You can see the contents
if you follow the instructions in the Knowledge Base Article, which
follows:
How to Gain Access to the System Volume Information Folder
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;309531

There are two preferred ways to delete the contents of these folders (
or most of the contents as some files need to be retained ).

In certain specific circumstances one would delete all restore points by
turning System Restore off and then back on. This is desirable if there
has been a viral infection and restore points contain the virus. This is
achieved by right clicking your My Computer icon on the Desktop,
selecting Properties, System Restore, and checking the box before "Turn
off System Restore on all drives" and click on OK. To turn System
Restore back on you simply uncheck the box before "Turn off System
Restore on all drives" and click on OK. In normal situations System
Restore should only be monitoring the drive or partition containing your
Windows operating system files.

As part of routine maintenance you should use Disk CleanUp to remove
all but the latest restore points, except when the system is unable and
you might need older restore points to back to an earlier system set up.
Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
Options, System Restore, OK, and OK. This is what you should do now.

Another aspect of System Restore to be mentioned is the default space
allocation of 12%. This is allocation is over generous given the size of
new hard drives today's. Reset it to 4% by dragging the slider to the
left. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop, selecting
Properties, System Restore, select Drive C and click on Settings.

You can read more about System Restore here:
http://bertk.mvps.org/

When you have used Disk CleanUp and changed the System Restore
Allocation run Disk CleanUp to remove all Temporary Internet Files and
to empty the Recycle Bin. If you have more than one user logging on you
need to do it in each User Profile. You should then be in a position to
see Disk Defragmenter fully defragment your drive. I say fully
defragment but in reality the Defragmenter provided with Windows XP
leaves the Master File, Table, the Pagefile, some lesser files and free
space fragmented. You may need to run Disk Defragmenter twice or three
times to fully defragment your drive.

I do not agree with the comments by others that defragmenting system
restore point is unnecessary. It is true that a user will only ever need
to access a system restore point once, if ever ,but a fragmented system
restore point will increase fragmentation of other files because free
space will be more fragmented.

I notice that your pagefile is 768 mb. How much RAM memory do you have?

Your System Restore Points are large. Have you been making a lot of
system changes?

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Hope this helps.

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"DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:04D61848-AD1C-4793-B802-DF630A706AAB@microsoft.com...
>I should have been a bit clearer in my first post. When I attempt to
> defragment my hardrive, it gets to around 15-16% completed before
> giving me
> the message that some files cannot be defragmented and then stopping.
> Now
> from the previous posts I'm assuming I can delete them, but I cannot
> find
> them. I have the option set to show hidden files and folders. When I
> use the
> search function, it is also set to search in hidden files and folders.
> Any
> idea on how I can find and get rid of these files so I can defrag the
> rest of
> my hardrive?

I have 2 GB of RAM in my system. I guess the restore points were so large
because I removed about 9-13 GB of software and other files. Thanks for the
help.



"Gerry Cornell" wrote:

> The files are not actually files they are folders, each being System
> Restore point. They are all within your System Volume Information
> folder. The contents remain hidden even when " Show Hidden Files" is
> enabled to discourage users from deleting them. You can see the contents
> if you follow the instructions in the Knowledge Base Article, which
> follows:
> How to Gain Access to the System Volume Information Folder
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;309531
>
> There are two preferred ways to delete the contents of these folders (
> or most of the contents as some files need to be retained ).
>
> In certain specific circumstances one would delete all restore points by
> turning System Restore off and then back on. This is desirable if there
> has been a viral infection and restore points contain the virus. This is
> achieved by right clicking your My Computer icon on the Desktop,
> selecting Properties, System Restore, and checking the box before "Turn
> off System Restore on all drives" and click on OK. To turn System
> Restore back on you simply uncheck the box before "Turn off System
> Restore on all drives" and click on OK. In normal situations System
> Restore should only be monitoring the drive or partition containing your
> Windows operating system files.
>
> As part of routine maintenance you should use Disk CleanUp to remove
> all but the latest restore points, except when the system is unable and
> you might need older restore points to back to an earlier system set up.
> Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
> Options, System Restore, OK, and OK. This is what you should do now.
>
> Another aspect of System Restore to be mentioned is the default space
> allocation of 12%. This is allocation is over generous given the size of
> new hard drives today's. Reset it to 4% by dragging the slider to the
> left. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop, selecting
> Properties, System Restore, select Drive C and click on Settings.
>
> You can read more about System Restore here:
> http://bertk.mvps.org/
>
> When you have used Disk CleanUp and changed the System Restore
> Allocation run Disk CleanUp to remove all Temporary Internet Files and
> to empty the Recycle Bin. If you have more than one user logging on you
> need to do it in each User Profile. You should then be in a position to
> see Disk Defragmenter fully defragment your drive. I say fully
> defragment but in reality the Defragmenter provided with Windows XP
> leaves the Master File, Table, the Pagefile, some lesser files and free
> space fragmented. You may need to run Disk Defragmenter twice or three
> times to fully defragment your drive.
>
> I do not agree with the comments by others that defragmenting system
> restore point is unnecessary. It is true that a user will only ever need
> to access a system restore point once, if ever ,but a fragmented system
> restore point will increase fragmentation of other files because free
> space will be more fragmented.
>
> I notice that your pagefile is 768 mb. How much RAM memory do you have?
>
> Your System Restore Points are large. Have you been making a lot of
> system changes?
>
> --
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
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>
> "DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:04D61848-AD1C-4793-B802-DF630A706AAB@microsoft.com...
> >I should have been a bit clearer in my first post. When I attempt to
> > defragment my hardrive, it gets to around 15-16% completed before
> > giving me
> > the message that some files cannot be defragmented and then stopping.
> > Now
> > from the previous posts I'm assuming I can delete them, but I cannot
> > find
> > them. I have the option set to show hidden files and folders. When I
> > use the
> > search function, it is also set to search in hidden files and folders.
> > Any
> > idea on how I can find and get rid of these files so I can defrag the
> > rest of
> > my hardrive?
>
>

That is a lot of RAM

Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to bring Task Manager and select the Performance
Tab. What is the Total, the Commit Charge and the Peak?

You managed to use a lot of disk space on a fairly large hard drive.
Have you considered a partitioned second hard drive to archive or backup
data files?

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"DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news9A670EE-7466-4C2A-9E01-CE9B2DF8A2BB@microsoft.com...
>I have 2 GB of RAM in my system. I guess the restore points were so
>large
> because I removed about 9-13 GB of software and other files. Thanks
> for the
> help.
>
>
>
> "Gerry Cornell" wrote:
>
>> The files are not actually files they are folders, each being System
>> Restore point. They are all within your System Volume Information
>> folder. The contents remain hidden even when " Show Hidden Files" is
>> enabled to discourage users from deleting them. You can see the
>> contents
>> if you follow the instructions in the Knowledge Base Article, which
>> follows:
>> How to Gain Access to the System Volume Information Folder
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;309531
>>
>> There are two preferred ways to delete the contents of these folders
>> (
>> or most of the contents as some files need to be retained ).
>>
>> In certain specific circumstances one would delete all restore points
>> by
>> turning System Restore off and then back on. This is desirable if
>> there
>> has been a viral infection and restore points contain the virus. This
>> is
>> achieved by right clicking your My Computer icon on the Desktop,
>> selecting Properties, System Restore, and checking the box before
>> "Turn
>> off System Restore on all drives" and click on OK. To turn System
>> Restore back on you simply uncheck the box before "Turn off System
>> Restore on all drives" and click on OK. In normal situations System
>> Restore should only be monitoring the drive or partition containing
>> your
>> Windows operating system files.
>>
>> As part of routine maintenance you should use Disk CleanUp to remove
>> all but the latest restore points, except when the system is unable
>> and
>> you might need older restore points to back to an earlier system set
>> up.
>> Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp, More
>> Options, System Restore, OK, and OK. This is what you should do now.
>>
>> Another aspect of System Restore to be mentioned is the default
>> space
>> allocation of 12%. This is allocation is over generous given the size
>> of
>> new hard drives today's. Reset it to 4% by dragging the slider to
>> the
>> left. Right click your My Computer icon on the Desktop, selecting
>> Properties, System Restore, select Drive C and click on Settings.
>>
>> You can read more about System Restore here:
>> http://bertk.mvps.org/
>>
>> When you have used Disk CleanUp and changed the System Restore
>> Allocation run Disk CleanUp to remove all Temporary Internet Files
>> and
>> to empty the Recycle Bin. If you have more than one user logging on
>> you
>> need to do it in each User Profile. You should then be in a position
>> to
>> see Disk Defragmenter fully defragment your drive. I say fully
>> defragment but in reality the Defragmenter provided with Windows XP
>> leaves the Master File, Table, the Pagefile, some lesser files and
>> free
>> space fragmented. You may need to run Disk Defragmenter twice or
>> three
>> times to fully defragment your drive.
>>
>> I do not agree with the comments by others that defragmenting system
>> restore point is unnecessary. It is true that a user will only ever
>> need
>> to access a system restore point once, if ever ,but a fragmented
>> system
>> restore point will increase fragmentation of other files because
>> free
>> space will be more fragmented.
>>
>> I notice that your pagefile is 768 mb. How much RAM memory do you
>> have?
>>
>> Your System Restore Points are large. Have you been making a lot of
>> system changes?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Gerry
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>>
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>>
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>> suggested solution worked for you.
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>>
>>
>> "DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:04D61848-AD1C-4793-B802-DF630A706AAB@microsoft.com...
>> >I should have been a bit clearer in my first post. When I attempt to
>> > defragment my hardrive, it gets to around 15-16% completed before
>> > giving me
>> > the message that some files cannot be defragmented and then
>> > stopping.
>> > Now
>> > from the previous posts I'm assuming I can delete them, but I
>> > cannot
>> > find
>> > them. I have the option set to show hidden files and folders. When
>> > I
>> > use the
>> > search function, it is also set to search in hidden files and
>> > folders.
>> > Any
>> > idea on how I can find and get rid of these files so I can defrag
>> > the
>> > rest of
>> > my hardrive?
>>
>>

Hi

Some files can't be defragmented as you've already found out. Please have a
look at the following article:

http://tinyurl.com/eyg33

Be very sure what you are doing if you access the SVI folder!! Altering
anything in there will render System Restore inoperable!!

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"DrcAnjel" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:005338E3-7864-4772-A4CF-38AEE7B735BB@microsoft.com...
>I tried running disc defragmenter today and I received a message saying
>some
> files could not be fragmented. This is the report I was shown.
>
>
> Volume (C
> Volume size = 70.94 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 53.71 GB
> Free space = 17.24 GB
> Percent free space = 24 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 8 %
> File fragmentation = 16 %
> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 83,744
> Average file size = 780 KB
> Total fragmented files = 5
> Total excess fragments = 2,590
> Average fragments per file = 1.03
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 768 MB
> Total fragments = 1
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,996
> Fragmented folders = 1
> Excess folder fragments = 0
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 134 MB
> MFT record count = 90,159
> Percent MFT in use = 65 %
> Total MFT fragments = 3
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
> 98 1,024 MB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054780.rbf
> 1,805 1,024 MB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP556\A0054778.rbf
> 125 1.45 GB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{CCA15F78-7193-4CA6-8115-2B570DD6546C}\RP535\A0049612.exe
>
>
> I searched for this files on my hardrive and could not find them. What are
> this files for and do I need them? Would it be safe to delete them?

"=?Utf-8?B?RHJjQW5qZWw=?=" <DrcAnjel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:005338E3-7864-4772-A4CF-38AEE7B735BB@microsoft.com:

> I tried running disc defragmenter today and I received a message
> saying some files could not be fragmented. This is the report I was
> shown.
>

There is a tool that can defrag some of the system files at boot time. For
more info go here:

http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/PageDefrag.html

Many other good freeware tools are available at sysinternals.

Good Luck