Leythos wrote:
> For some Inkjet printers refilling them is not worth the trouble. I've
> always owned Epson inkjet printers because they always had better image
> quality than Cannon or HP (IMNSHO). I print a lot, my kids print a lot,
> and I've tried every type of refill kit with them. Most times, now
> matter how careful I was (and I'm not unskilled) I got ink on the work
> area, over filled the cart, found the ink bleeding out the bottom after
> I had filled it, etc... After a week of not using the printer with a
> refill cart, the head would have a plugged nozzle or some other problem.
> It got bad enough that I kept a set of carts with Windex in them to
> clean the head (since the head is in the printer not the cart)....
>
> After more than a decade of "dealing with" inkjet printers I purchase a
> Wax Thermal printer and I've never looked back, works every time, no
> mess, print is better than ink, color is BRIGHT on all papers, etc...
> Sure, the printer cost $950 and wax cubes for 6,000 sheets costs $100,
> but, it works every time all the time and it's fast.
>
> Some after market parts are not worth the cost you pay for them.
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 in order to email me)

Hi Leythos,

This is another great idea! Thanks for taking the time to post this.
Someone else suggested that a laser color printer also doesn't have
this ink drying in the printheads problem. Another person suggested
getting a printer which didn't use particulate inks (those which are a
suspension of colored particles).

All these are great ideas. I'm sorry some people who have nothing to
offer felt compelled to say something (like a grafitti artist who has
nothing to say and even less to offer), but I'm glad for the rest of
you who have provided me and everyone who reads this with much to
consider the next time we go shopping for a home color printer
solution.

Thank you for your insight,
Susan

In comp.sys.hp.hardware george <nowhere@newsonly.com> wrote:
> You have me confused...at least when I worked at HP, the print heads
> were in the ink cartridge (i.e., everytime you replaced the
> cartridge...with a NEW HP cartridge, not a refilled cartridge, you
> got new print heads). If you've been refilling, well...once in
> awhile, you need to buy a NEW HP cartridge as the print heads in a
> cartridge aren't designed to print THAT many pages.

There are two different "flavors" of HP inkjet printers. Those that
have integrated printheads and those that have separate printheads
and ink resevoirs.

rick jones
does networking, not printing, but has seen both kinds of printers in
his days.
--
Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought.
these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway...
feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

A PERFECT CANDIDATE

Susan Sharm wrote:

>Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
>
>
>>>What is inside the printhead?
>>>
>>>
>>I don't know since I never had one apart.
>>
>>
>>
>>>If I knew how
>>>it works (and what is inside that little tank) then I could better
>>>figure out how to repair it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Once we pull the printhead out of the boiling water, should I soak it
>>>with ink from the top screen or leave it filled with the hot water
>>>before putting the printhead back into the HP d145 officejet? Or do we
>>>empty it out and put the printhead back into the all-in-one
>>>printer/fax/scanner filled with air?
>>>
>>>
>>After removal from the hot water just place it on some paper towels several
>>layers thick to wick out as much water as possible. The drier the better.
>>Once dry, just reinstall the printhead in the printer/plotter and let the
>>device do the rest. It will be just like new.
>>
>>
>
>I tried this. It seemed to work. I boiled the HP #14 CYAN printhead for
>about fifteen minutes and was surprised to find that it didn't melt
>even though it is composed of plastic and strips of copper or gold.
>
>When I put the Hewlett Packard #14 CYAN printhead back into the office
>jet printer, I ran the test sequence which printed out just fine except
>with a wet spot for the first ten or fifteen sheets of paper along a
>one-inch-wide longitudinal line just below where I placed the printhead
>back.
>
>I'm surmising that some water dripped out into the printer just below
>where I put the printhead in as the printhead slides back and forth
>while printing but stays in a set spot when removing and replacing and
>the water line was just below that set spot.
>
>I say this only so that the next person can learn from me as I have
>learned from most of you (except those who have nothing to say yet
>still feel they can contribute to our knowledge by posting useless
>banter).
>
>I appreciate all the help from those who were trying to be helpful!
>Susan
>
>
>

fb wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
>
>> In article <cJSdf.48$Gt6.3@fed1read03>, fb@nospanm.cmm says...
>>
>>> And the mess you might encounter from you first time refilling? Well
>>> it's nothing to be concerned about. And the pics produced from top
>>> quality after market inks is simply outstanding. Listen to me and
>>> all the others who use after market inks for decades. We know what
>>> we're talking about.
>>
>
>
>
>> . Most times, now matter how careful I was (and I'm not unskilled) I
>> got ink on the work area, over filled the cart, found the ink
>> bleeding out the bottom after I had filled it, etc...
>
>
> The only time I ever got ink on my fingers was one time installing an
> oem cart on one of my newly purchased canons when I accidentely
> applied too much pressure on the cart pulling off the tape. Other than
> that one incident involving an oem cart, refilling for almost 10 years
> has been incident free. I never have clogged heads much to the regret
> of our resident oem moron and I've saved enough $'s to purchase a
> couple of laptops and other accessories. Refilling is obviously not
> for everyone, but I'm not one of those persons.
> Frank

DON'T BOTHER ME I'M EATING

In article <1131992411.185240.216890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
Susan Sharm <susanshaarm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This is another great idea! Thanks for taking the time to post this.
> Someone else suggested that a laser color printer also doesn't have
> this ink drying in the printheads problem. Another person suggested
> getting a printer which didn't use particulate inks (those which are a
> suspension of colored particles).

Be sure you carefully examine some actual prints (NOT the demo pages)
made with the color laser before purchasing. Historically, color lasers
have been best for business images (charts, graphs, etc.) and don't
really do a great job wih photos or other continuous tone images.
Reading some reviews is a good idea as well.

They've gotten better, and it depends on how demanding you are - but
me, I have both. The Epson six-color inkjet (pain in the a** that it
is) is enough better than the HP Color Laserjet that keeping it is
worthwhile.

"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:KQZdf.505812$tl2.128578@pd7tw3no...
> Since HP may well be the most environmentally evolved of all the inkjet
> companies, I don't want to point fingers at them, so I will instead keep my
> comments more generic about inkjet cartridges, although I believe they were
> the "inventors" of the "starter cartridge" which contained 50% or less ink in
> the cartridges that first came with the printer.

I believe starter cartridges were introduced first by Lexmark.

- Bob Headrick

Bob Headrick wrote:

>"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
>news:KQZdf.505812$tl2.128578@pd7tw3no...
>
>
>>Since HP may well be the most environmentally evolved of all the inkjet
>>companies, I don't want to point fingers at them, so I will instead keep my
>>comments more generic about inkjet cartridges, although I believe they were
>>the "inventors" of the "starter cartridge" which contained 50% or less ink in
>>the cartridges that first came with the printer.
>>
>>
>
>I believe starter cartridges were introduced first by Lexmark.
>
> - Bob Headrick
>
>
COMPANIES THAT SELL THEIR PRINTERS WITH STARTER CARTS ARE BIG WHORES.

>
>
>

In article <Tjhef.13498$7h7.7555@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
inkystinky@oem.com says...
>
> >
> COMPANIES THAT SELL THEIR PRINTERS WITH STARTER CARTS ARE BIG WHORES.
>
> >
inkystinky (Measekite) admits to limited experience with printers, but
he seems very big on whores (perhaps his area of expertise)?
> >
>

The Xerox "solid Color" Phase printers offer an interesting alternative
to other color image printers, but there are some limitations as well as
good points to them.

Good stuff:

They are very fast

Cost per copy is lower than other options

Little environmental waste (packaging, cartridge, etc.)

Not so good stuff:

Need to be left on all the time or a lot of the solid ink is wasted, but
goes into fairly deep "sleep" modes.

Large footprint and can be noisy.

Image quality is ot quite photographic, bright overly contrast images
are normal

Image has slight texture, a waxy feel and doesn't laminate well.

Surface of image may crack is bent or scratch.

Limited sources for the solid ink.


Art


Susan Sham wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
>
>>For some Inkjet printers refilling them is not worth the trouble. I've
>>always owned Epson inkjet printers because they always had better image
>>quality than Cannon or HP (IMNSHO). I print a lot, my kids print a lot,
>>and I've tried every type of refill kit with them. Most times, now
>>matter how careful I was (and I'm not unskilled) I got ink on the work
>>area, over filled the cart, found the ink bleeding out the bottom after
>>I had filled it, etc... After a week of not using the printer with a
>>refill cart, the head would have a plugged nozzle or some other problem.
>>It got bad enough that I kept a set of carts with Windex in them to
>>clean the head (since the head is in the printer not the cart)....
>>
>>After more than a decade of "dealing with" inkjet printers I purchase a
>>Wax Thermal printer and I've never looked back, works every time, no
>>mess, print is better than ink, color is BRIGHT on all papers, etc...
>>Sure, the printer cost $950 and wax cubes for 6,000 sheets costs $100,
>>but, it works every time all the time and it's fast.
>>
>>Some after market parts are not worth the cost you pay for them.
>>spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 in order to email me)
>
>
> Hi Leythos,
>
> This is another great idea! Thanks for taking the time to post this.
> Someone else suggested that a laser color printer also doesn't have
> this ink drying in the printheads problem. Another person suggested
> getting a printer which didn't use particulate inks (those which are a
> suspension of colored particles).
>
> All these are great ideas. I'm sorry some people who have nothing to
> offer felt compelled to say something (like a grafitti artist who has
> nothing to say and even less to offer), but I'm glad for the rest of
> you who have provided me and everyone who reads this with much to
> consider the next time we go shopping for a home color printer
> solution.
>
> Thank you for your insight,
> Susan
>

You may well be correct. I tend to forget about Lexmark...

Art

Bob Headrick wrote:

> "Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:KQZdf.505812$tl2.128578@pd7tw3no...
>
>>Since HP may well be the most environmentally evolved of all the inkjet
>>companies, I don't want to point fingers at them, so I will instead keep my
>>comments more generic about inkjet cartridges, although I believe they were
>>the "inventors" of the "starter cartridge" which contained 50% or less ink in
>>the cartridges that first came with the printer.
>
>
> I believe starter cartridges were introduced first by Lexmark.
>
> - Bob Headrick
>
>