see below

"What's in a Name?" wrote:

> "David H. Lipman" DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net on 10/15/2005 in
> <u4rdWqd0FHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl> after much thought,came up with
> this jewel:
>
> > From: "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >
> > > My laptop was fully shutdown on 14th oct and recovered again on
> > > 15th oct.
>
> Do you mean that you used "System Restore"?
no, I'm not. It was running again like normal.
>
> > > the laptop couldnot even read the operating system and
> > > could not do anything....... It sometimes blacked out the screen
> > > and I couldn't see anything... but it back to normal the next day.
>
> What was the exact error message received?
no message at all. It worked sometimes for 10 seconds (just like normal
running) and sometimes the screen was off (nothing I could see)
>
> > > The only thing is not normal is my antivirus lost all the root
> > > certificate. Is there any virus running on that day? I am using ZA
> > > with Av and it couldnot see the virus
>
> Normal is a setting on my dryer(and it doesn't always work)..... ha ha ha you're funny
>
> > Who said you had a virus ?
> >
> > That sounds like a faux conclusion.

I was just guessing..... that's the only conclusion when you often surf on
the net
>
> Sounds like a problem between keyboard and chair.
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From: "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com>


>>> Who said you had a virus ?
>>>
>>> That sounds like a faux conclusion.
|
| I was just guessing..... that's the only conclusion when you often surf on
| the net

No -- It isn't.

The only way you can conclude you have a virus or other malware is if you have a specific
set of "software" symptoms and/or if AV software flagged an infector.

--
Dave
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http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

well the prove that My Antivirus couldnot started anymore until I reinstalled
it again is convincing me (my root certificate were lost displayed as the
information).
After that I changed my Zaw/AV to kav, and it found many trojans loose from
my previous AV

"David H. Lipman" wrote:

> From: "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com>
>
>
> >>> Who said you had a virus ?
> >>>
> >>> That sounds like a faux conclusion.
> |
> | I was just guessing..... that's the only conclusion when you often surf on
> | the net
>
> No -- It isn't.
>
> The only way you can conclude you have a virus or other malware is if you have a specific
> set of "software" symptoms and/or if AV software flagged an infector.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>
>

From: "Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com>

| well the prove that My Antivirus couldnot started anymore until I reinstalled
| it again is convincing me (my root certificate were lost displayed as the
| information).
| After that I changed my Zaw/AV to kav, and it found many trojans loose from
| my previous AV

Trojans don't do that. They WANT the PC to be somewhat funtional sothey can do the routines
contained within their payload. To shotdown a PC would be self defeating.

It sounds coincidental that you had the un-named Trojans andthe shutdown.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm