I'm trying to install XP on a SATA RAID shuttle and there's one small
problem. I don't have a floppy. Of all the computers I have in my office
NONE OF THEM HAVE FLOPPIES. I cannot install XP on my shuttle because I DO
NOT HAVE A FLOPPY DRIVE. So what exactly can I store on a floppy? Apparently
device drivers. I guess it's stupid to put them onto something like A CD and
then have the install look at THAT since the computer ACTUALLY HAS A CD
DRIVE. But no, I have to try to FIND A FLOPPY DISK and then TRY TO FIND A
FLOPPY DRIVE THAT WORKS. Oh, there's an old abandon 80386. I think IT has a
floppy. It also has 640K of memory and THERE'S NO WAY ON EARTH ANYONE WOULD
EVER WANT MORE THAN 640K OF MEMORY ON A COMPUTER is there? Oh, the drive
doesn't work because it's clogged with dust since it hasn't been used in 5
YEARS. Ya, we have to install a storage medium that can't even hold one
single WORD DOC in order to install XP. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

So oh magical Microsoft Millionaires, instead of trying to figure out how to
signal there is a water skier down in Lake Sammamish, or what fabulous
kitchen knobs you absolutely HAVE to have on your fabu remodel, how about if
one of you BRILLIANT GENIUSES figure out how to have the stupid setup
program scan THE CD DRIVE (you know, that drive that actually booted the
machine) along with these magical 'FLOPPIES' that exist next to my 8-track
player.

If "Billy G" had to spend 8 hours trying to figure out how to install XP on
his fabu new laptop I dare say this problem would be fixed right quick. Oh,
that's right. Billy has peons that can do this nonsense for him when some
errant install hoses his boot sector.

tima at predator dash software dot com

Actually the drivers needed for SATA or RAID have little to do with
microsoft,the board mfgs and/or who mfg the controller are the ones that
need the drivers,microsoft doesnt build controllers or boards.Hence,youre
blaming the wrong folks.....

"John Smith" wrote:

> I'm trying to install XP on a SATA RAID shuttle and there's one small
> problem. I don't have a floppy. Of all the computers I have in my office
> NONE OF THEM HAVE FLOPPIES. I cannot install XP on my shuttle because I DO
> NOT HAVE A FLOPPY DRIVE. So what exactly can I store on a floppy? Apparently
> device drivers. I guess it's stupid to put them onto something like A CD and
> then have the install look at THAT since the computer ACTUALLY HAS A CD
> DRIVE. But no, I have to try to FIND A FLOPPY DISK and then TRY TO FIND A
> FLOPPY DRIVE THAT WORKS. Oh, there's an old abandon 80386. I think IT has a
> floppy. It also has 640K of memory and THERE'S NO WAY ON EARTH ANYONE WOULD
> EVER WANT MORE THAN 640K OF MEMORY ON A COMPUTER is there? Oh, the drive
> doesn't work because it's clogged with dust since it hasn't been used in 5
> YEARS. Ya, we have to install a storage medium that can't even hold one
> single WORD DOC in order to install XP. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
>
> So oh magical Microsoft Millionaires, instead of trying to figure out how to
> signal there is a water skier down in Lake Sammamish, or what fabulous
> kitchen knobs you absolutely HAVE to have on your fabu remodel, how about if
> one of you BRILLIANT GENIUSES figure out how to have the stupid setup
> program scan THE CD DRIVE (you know, that drive that actually booted the
> machine) along with these magical 'FLOPPIES' that exist next to my 8-track
> player.
>
> If "Billy G" had to spend 8 hours trying to figure out how to install XP on
> his fabu new laptop I dare say this problem would be fixed right quick. Oh,
> that's right. Billy has peons that can do this nonsense for him when some
> errant install hoses his boot sector.
>
> tima at predator dash software dot com
>
>
>

<quote>
Actually the drivers needed for SATA or RAID have little to do with
microsoft,the board mfgs and/or who mfg the controller are the ones that
need the drivers,microsoft doesnt build controllers or boards.Hence,youre
blaming the wrong folks.....
</quote>

No. You are wrong. Who wrote XP setup? The device manufacturers?

XP setup ONLY reads device drivers from a floppy. This is the either 1) the
device drivers fault, because they could care less what media the driver is
on or 2) Microsoft's fault because their stupid setup program ONLY LOOKS AT
FLOPPY DRIVES FOR THE DRIVERS.

Ya, let's blame the device manufacturers for a problem that manifests itself
ONLY because XP setup's stupid assumption that drivers can ONLY exist on
floppies. Sorry to be so short, but try finding a functioning floppy drive
and floppy disk at 11:30 on a tuesday evening so you can get your computer
back up and running.

This is Microsoft's fault, this is Microsoft's problem, this is Microsoft's
stupidity. Period.

tima at predator dash software dot com

Even better. Not only do you have to enable floppy drives in general, you
have to tell the BIOS what size the floppy drive is or it will simply ignore
it for no reason whatsoever. Hardware. Gotta love it. Ya, this isn't totally
Microsoft's fault. Well, unless you factor in the pesky fact that XP setup
REQUIRES a floppy drive if your storage doesn't "conform."

This harkens me back to the glory days of DOS 3.31 when COMPAQ came out with
the magical version of DOS so you could install a drive bigger than 32 meg
on your fancy-dancy 640K computer. Wow. A hard drive bigger than 32 meg? Who
in their wildest dreams would install a hard drive bigger than 32meg on a
computer? Unbelievable. Who could afford such a monster? Who could afford
more than 640K? A Microsoft Millionaire? Imagine the possibilities of a 32
meg hard drive. Imagine a computer with more than 640K of memory. It boggles
the mind. You want TCP/IP on that same computer? Well if you tow the
Microsoft line you will simply have to wait until 1998 until we support that
"flash in the pan" network protocol. No one would possibly outgrow NETBEUI.
Imagine my neuvo riche taste in Normal Rockwell paintings that so poo-poo's
you pathetic morons that actually have to install this operating system and
try to connect it to that fancy-dancy interweb thingy.

So I reiterate. Instead of spending $500,000.00 for some stupid propeller
head to say, "You should move the computer manager from here to here, then
rename it
"magical mystery controller thingy you don't want to play with," then change
all the colors from grey to "tella-tubby purpley blueish," why doesn't
microsoft shift that same sum into funding six man years of development in
bangalore so that the 'setup' program can read a device it has already
booted from - namely the CDROM drive. The ability to do this is less than a
DAYS worth of work. This is much less than they will spend on the next 15
focus groups on whether the paperclip should pop up at THIS point, or at
THAT point. Oh, and what color should that paper clip be these days?

tima at predator dash software dot com

Slipstreaming SATA/RAID Drivers
http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/READING/addraid.htm

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"John Smith" rambled on:

| I'm trying to install XP on a SATA RAID shuttle and there's one small
| problem. I don't have a floppy. Of all the computers I have in my office
| NONE OF THEM HAVE FLOPPIES. I cannot install XP on my shuttle because I DO
| NOT HAVE A FLOPPY DRIVE. So what exactly can I store on a floppy? Apparently
| device drivers. I guess it's stupid to put them onto something like A CD and
| then have the install look at THAT since the computer ACTUALLY HAS A CD
| DRIVE. But no, I have to try to FIND A FLOPPY DISK and then TRY TO FIND A
| FLOPPY DRIVE THAT WORKS. Oh, there's an old abandon 80386. I think IT has a
| floppy. It also has 640K of memory and THERE'S NO WAY ON EARTH ANYONE WOULD
| EVER WANT MORE THAN 640K OF MEMORY ON A COMPUTER is there? Oh, the drive
| doesn't work because it's clogged with dust since it hasn't been used in 5
| YEARS. Ya, we have to install a storage medium that can't even hold one
| single WORD DOC in order to install XP. Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
|
| So oh magical Microsoft Millionaires, instead of trying to figure out how to
| signal there is a water skier down in Lake Sammamish, or what fabulous
| kitchen knobs you absolutely HAVE to have on your fabu remodel, how about if
| one of you BRILLIANT GENIUSES figure out how to have the stupid setup
| program scan THE CD DRIVE (you know, that drive that actually booted the
| machine) along with these magical 'FLOPPIES' that exist next to my 8-track
| player.
|
| If "Billy G" had to spend 8 hours trying to figure out how to install XP on
| his fabu new laptop I dare say this problem would be fixed right quick. Oh,
| that's right. Billy has peons that can do this nonsense for him when some
| errant install hoses his boot sector.
|
| tima at predator dash software dot com

Carey Frisch [MVP] schrieb:
> Slipstreaming SATA/RAID Drivers
> http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/READING/addraid.htm

I wonder how to do that without an already up and running machine...

John

Like it or not, Microsoft does not dictate what is included re. hardware
into a computer.. if manufacturers/vendors decide not to include a floppy
drive, that is the manufacturer's/vendors decision entirely..

Microsoft supply an OS, and it is the end user's responsibility to ensure
that there is the means available to install it onto whatever hardware
configuration the end user has chosen..

Find another scapegoat, because your selection for the role is the wrong
one, and complaining to or about Microsoft on this issue will change
nothing..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23TeJE6y7FHA.1864@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I'm trying to install XP on a SATA RAID shuttle and there's one small
> problem. I don't have a floppy. Of all the computers I have in my office
> NONE OF THEM HAVE FLOPPIES. I cannot install XP on my shuttle because I DO
> NOT HAVE A FLOPPY DRIVE. So what exactly can I store on a floppy?
> Apparently device drivers. I guess it's stupid to put them onto something
> like A CD and then have the install look at THAT since the computer
> ACTUALLY HAS A CD DRIVE. But no, I have to try to FIND A FLOPPY DISK and
> then TRY TO FIND A FLOPPY DRIVE THAT WORKS. Oh, there's an old abandon
> 80386. I think IT has a floppy. It also has 640K of memory and THERE'S NO
> WAY ON EARTH ANYONE WOULD EVER WANT MORE THAN 640K OF MEMORY ON A COMPUTER
> is there? Oh, the drive doesn't work because it's clogged with dust since
> it hasn't been used in 5 YEARS. Ya, we have to install a storage medium
> that can't even hold one single WORD DOC in order to install XP.
> Brilliant. Simply brilliant.
>
> So oh magical Microsoft Millionaires, instead of trying to figure out how
> to signal there is a water skier down in Lake Sammamish, or what fabulous
> kitchen knobs you absolutely HAVE to have on your fabu remodel, how about
> if one of you BRILLIANT GENIUSES figure out how to have the stupid setup
> program scan THE CD DRIVE (you know, that drive that actually booted the
> machine) along with these magical 'FLOPPIES' that exist next to my 8-track
> player.
>
> If "Billy G" had to spend 8 hours trying to figure out how to install XP
> on his fabu new laptop I dare say this problem would be fixed right quick.
> Oh, that's right. Billy has peons that can do this nonsense for him when
> some errant install hoses his boot sector.
>
> tima at predator dash software dot com
>
>

Mario

Slipstreaming can be done on any machine that has the relevant CD creation
software and hardware.. SATA drivers can be downloaded from websites, so the
problem of transferring drivers from diskette to a machine without a floppy
drive is negated..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


"Mario Schmidt" <mario.schmidt@mediavillage.de> wrote in message
news:dlvgo8$3tu$1@news01.versatel.de...
> Carey Frisch [MVP] schrieb:
>> Slipstreaming SATA/RAID Drivers
>> http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/READING/addraid.htm
>
> I wonder how to do that without an already up and running machine...

<quote>
Find another scapegoat, because your selection for the role is the wrong
one, and complaining to or about Microsoft on this issue will change
nothing..
</quote>

I'm sure glad you have one of those impressive "MVP" things in your
signature. It doesn't change the fact that Microsoft's XP setup is what is
broken. This is not every single RAID manufacturers problem, and this is not
my problem for not putting an absolutely useless floppy in my computer.
Something that will be used ONCE.

Microsoft wrote XP setup. XP setup REQUIRES A FLOPPY DRIVE in order to load
all but the lamest disk driver. Please explain to me how this is the device
driver writers fault. It's my RAID card manufacturers fault that I have to
install a floppy drive in my computer? It's my RAID card manufacturers fault
that XP setup barfs when there isn't a floppy? It's my RAID card
manufacturers fault that Microsoft is too lazy or incompetent to check BOTH
the floppy AND a possibly swapped in CD for these drivers?

This is simply incompetence on Microsoft's part. For cheaper than the
granite counter top the latest Microsoft exec is going to put in their
vacation home's kitchen this problem could be solved. Microsoft could easily
do this by not only trying to read the floppy but to ALSO read the "magical
spinny thing" that the stupid computer booted on. It apparently can already
read that device without too much difficulty.

This is totally 100% Microsoft's problem. Anyone that states otherwise is
just mind bogglingly stupid.

tima at predator dash software dot com

Wow, you must be angry! Because you wasted all that time ranting, as
opposed to simply slipstreaming.

Do you know the steps and processes that need to be taken to fix even
one line of code? What sounds like the logicial solution here:

Leave it. There is a solution available.

-or-

Fix a "problem" for you convenience, pay a software engineer to write
the code, hope not to create more problems, and then distributing.
There is ALOT more money and time wrapped up than you might think.
We're talking about an OS here, not some homebrew software that you got
to work on your buddy's machine. Get off your soapbox. Now proceed to
frantically type for 30 more minutes about how mind boggingly stupid I
am!